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Subject: Re: [Q-R] Translations and Meanings Please
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:14:37 EST
In a message dated 1/3/03 03:52:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< ."Empechment canonique de consanguinite au degre prohibe
dont les epoux ont eu dispense de messire montgolfier"
also....
..."Dispense de double parante du 3E degre et au 4E degre"
>>
«Canonical impedimient of consanguinity in a prohibited degree, from which
the spouses received dispensation by Messire Montgolfier»
«Dispensation from double relationships of consanguinity in the the third
abd the fourth degree»
Short course in Canon Law:
Consanguinity
1. Consanguinity is a relationship between family members based on common
blood lines. It exists in the direct line if one person is the ancestor of
the other; in the indirect line (collateral) if neither is the ancestor of
the other, but both are descended from a common ancestor.
2. The relationship consitutes a diriment (prohibitive) impediment to
marriage in all degrees of the direct line, and up to the third degree
inclusive in the collateral line, according to the current Code of Canon Law.
Before the 1917 Code, that is, during the colonial period in North America
and during the 19th century, the impediment also included the fourth degree
of the collateral line.
3. Before the 1917 Code, the impediment was multiplied not only when the two
parties were descended from more than one independent common ancestor, but
also when they were descended from the same common ancestor by distinct lines
of descent.
Illustrations: (all taken from my personal family file)
A. Pierre Morin + Catherine Lemesle
1a Marie Louise Morin + Jacques Payant Saintonge
1b Marie Anne Morin + Guillaume Deguise Flamand
2a Joseph Jacques Payant Saintonge + Marie Jeanne Legris Lepine
2b François Deguise Flamand + Marie Louise Legris Lepine
3a Jean Baptiste I Payant Saintonge + Catherine Marie Leriger Laplante
3b Marie Louise Deguise Flamand + Thomas Caret
4a Jean Baptiste II Payant-Saintonge + Marie-Josephe Caille Biscornet
4b Augustin Marie Caret + Marie Therese Perrault Vildaigre
B. Jean Baptiste Legris Lepine + Marie Genevieve Sedillot Montreuil
1a Marie Jeanne Legris Lepine + Joseph Jacques Payant Saintonge
1b Marie Louise Legris Lepine + François Deguise Flamand
2a Jean Baptiste I Payant Saintonge + Catherine Marie Leriger Laplante
2b Marie Louise Deguise Flamand + Thomas Caret
3a Jean Baptiste II Payant-Saintonge + Marie-Josephe Caille Biscornet
3b Augustin Marie Caret + Marie Therese Perrault Vildaigre
C. Marie Anne Morin + Guillaume Deguise Flamand
1a François Deguise Flamand + Marie Louise Legris Lepine
1b Marie Perrine Deguise Flamand + Jacques Verret Laverdure
2a Marie Louise Deguise Flamand + Thomas Caret
2b Marie-Jeanne Verret Laverdure + Jean Cliche
3a Augustin Marie Caret + Marie Therese Perrault Vildaigre
3b Jean-Baptiste Cliche + Genevieve Bourbeau
In conclusion, class: Jean Baptiste Payant Saintonge is related in the third
degree touching upon the fourth (second cousin once removed) to Marie Louise
Deguise according to their common ancestry from Pierre Morin and Catherine
Lemesle. But he is her first cousin (second degree equally on both sides)
according to their common ancestry from Jean Baptiste Legris and Marie Jeanne
Sedillot Montreuil. He is also a second cousin once removed (third degree
touching on the fourth) to Marie Jeanne Verret Laverdure according to their
common ancestry from Pierre Morin and Catherine Lemesle, but he is her second
cousin (third degree equally on both sides) according to their common
ancestry from Guillaume Deguise and Marie Anne Morin.
Fr. Owen Taggart
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