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From: Dominique Ritchot <>
Subject: QUEBEC+1999+Simon Pipe/Boebe.
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:32:00 -0500
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Hello Mr. Merz,

I'm wondering if Mr. Watters' answer was forewarded to Mr. Menard ?


Dominique Ritchot
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> Hello Dominique -
> Still working down a getting smaller pile of old e-mails which
> I had kept aside for future follow-ups, just picked up a copy
> of the one quoted as last one down below by Bob Chenard.
> I checked back in my old QUEBEC-L mail list archives, and
> sure enough, I found this answer of mine. Fortunately the
> message was answered by Frank Watters who came up with
> the right name - Simon BOEBE, a name I coudn't think of by
> myself at the moment. Shows that sometimes the saying is
> true that you "can't see the forest for the trees".
>
> Anyway, I now can file this copy away, everything is
> under control, right?
>
> Greetings to all,
> John Helmut Merz
> for my books or Hessians in Canada information, contact
> http://www.quinte-kin.com or
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Merz" <>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:52 AM
> Subject: QUEBEC+1999+Simon Pipe/Boebe.
>
> > Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:45:44 -0700
> > From: John Helmut Merz <
> > To:
> > Subject: [QUEBEC-L] Re: Simon Pipe, Hessian?
> >
> > Dear Robert E. Chenard, this is indeed a very intriguing case, and I
> > have not come to a result as yet. In fact, I count on the help of some
> > of our subscribers, particularly those with experience in marriages
> > between native women and Hessian soldiers. There were quite a few of
> > such unions.
> > As far as the name Simon Pipe is concerned, as you believed yourself
> > this is most likely a corruption of a German name and unfortunately,
> > I have more than one candidate, but none of them is listed as Simon.
> > Now in German military records very often only on of the given names
> > is recorded, which in many cases is not the actual calling name. It is
> > therefore quite difficult to pinpoint the exact soldier without having
> > more to go on. For instance the Brunswick troops released a soldier in
> > Quebec in 1783 by the name of Johann Pape, at that time he was about
> > 35 years of age. I have not found any further records of him, so we
> > really don't know what happened with him after his release. I am trying
> > to use a negative as a positive in this case, because I have two more
> > Pape soldiers, a Christian Pape, and a Pape, Andreas, but here we have
> > a note that both of them, having been taking prisoner in Saratoga in
> > 1777, escaped from prison camp and joined the American rebel army.
> > Those two I would rule out in your case. --------
> >
> > Lets look at the wife of Simon Pipe, you mention her name being
> > Judith Minoues, and this is just a wild guess on my part, in the
> > marriages of Christ Church Cathedral, Montreal, is a (now those
> > translators of the records were not the best spellers) Mingnefs
> > (Mingness), Ann, who married a Simon Borman in 1804, he was a Brunswick
> > soldier, and his witnesses were Brunswick soldiers as well. This Ann
> > could have been a sister of Judith, and there would be a Brunswicker
> > connection. This Simon Bormann was a furrier, in other words probably
> > in the fur trade, and I suspect Simon Pipe was of the same.
> >
> > At this point in time I want to say that the above is just sheer
> > speculation, just an idea, and needs lot more detail. As I said in the
> > beginning, it is very intriguing, and you have to use one's imagination
> > to get to a clearer picture.
> > Hope that helps for a starter, I welcome responses to the list.
> > John Merz (also Johannes Helmut)
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Robert E. Chenard wrote: mailto:
> > >
> > > Dear Johannes,
> > >
> > > My cousin in Massachusetts is most likely a descendant of a Hessian
> > > mercenary who fought in Quebec during the 1780's and remained there
> > > after marrying Judith Minouès circa 1800 whom I believe was a native
> > > American (Indian). His name was written in Roman Catholic records as
> > > Simon Pipe. I suspect that Pipe is a corruption of his Germanic name.
> > > He was supposedly born in Germany (Allemagne, as they wrote in
> > > French).
> > >
> > > I've been searching various web sites for information on this person
> > > and found your site and expertise to be the most likely one that might
> > > be able to help. Have you heard of or read/written anything on this
> > > Simon Pipe? If so, where can this info. be obtained?
> > >
> > > Sincere thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > Bob Chenard
> > > Genealogist
> > > The French Connection
> > > Waterville, Maine
> >
> >

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