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From: "John Merz" <>
Subject: Re: QUEBEC+1999+Simon Pipe/Boebe.
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:11:12 -0500
References: <000101c52011$556f0840$542f9618@hala1.on.cogeco.ca>


Hello Dominique -
Still working down a getting smaller pile of old e-mails which
I had kept aside for future follow-ups, just picked up a copy
of the one quoted as last one down below by Bob Chenard.
I checked back in my old QUEBEC-L mail list archives, and
sure enough, I found this answer of mine. Fortunately the
message was answered by Frank Watters who came up with
the right name - Simon BOEBE, a name I coudn't think of by
myself at the moment. Shows that sometimes the saying is
true that you "can't see the forest for the trees".

Anyway, I now can file this copy away, everything is
under control, right?

Greetings to all,
John Helmut Merz
for my books or Hessians in Canada information, contact
http://www.quinte-kin.com or

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Merz" <>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: QUEBEC+1999+Simon Pipe/Boebe.


> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:45:44 -0700
> From: John Helmut Merz <
> To:
> Subject: [QUEBEC-L] Re: Simon Pipe, Hessian?
>
> Dear Robert E. Chenard, this is indeed a very intriguing case, and I
> have not come to a result as yet. In fact, I count on the help of some
> of our subscribers, particularly those with experience in marriages
> between native women and Hessian soldiers. There were quite a few of
> such unions.
> As far as the name Simon Pipe is concerned, as you believed yourself
> this is most likely a corruption of a German name and unfortunately,
> I have more than one candidate, but none of them is listed as Simon.
> Now in German military records very often only on of the given names
> is recorded, which in many cases is not the actual calling name. It is
> therefore quite difficult to pinpoint the exact soldier without having
> more to go on. For instance the Brunswick troops released a soldier in
> Quebec in 1783 by the name of Johann Pape, at that time he was about
> 35 years of age. I have not found any further records of him, so we
> really don't know what happened with him after his release. I am trying
> to use a negative as a positive in this case, because I have two more
> Pape soldiers, a Christian Pape, and a Pape, Andreas, but here we have
> a note that both of them, having been taking prisoner in Saratoga in
> 1777, escaped from prison camp and joined the American rebel army.
> Those two I would rule out in your case. --------
>
> Lets look at the wife of Simon Pipe, you mention her name being
> Judith Minoues, and this is just a wild guess on my part, in the
> marriages of Christ Church Cathedral, Montreal, is a (now those
> translators of the records were not the best spellers) Mingnefs
> (Mingness), Ann, who married a Simon Borman in 1804, he was a Brunswick
> soldier, and his witnesses were Brunswick soldiers as well. This Ann
> could have been a sister of Judith, and there would be a Brunswicker
> connection. This Simon Bormann was a furrier, in other words probably
> in the fur trade, and I suspect Simon Pipe was of the same.
>
> At this point in time I want to say that the above is just sheer
> speculation, just an idea, and needs lot more detail. As I said in the
> beginning, it is very intriguing, and you have to use one's imagination
> to get to a clearer picture.
> Hope that helps for a starter, I welcome responses to the list.
> John Merz (also Johannes Helmut)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Robert E. Chenard wrote: mailto:
> >
> > Dear Johannes,
> >
> > My cousin in Massachusetts is most likely a descendant of a Hessian
> > mercenary who fought in Quebec during the 1780's and remained there
> > after marrying Judith Minouès circa 1800 whom I believe was a native
> > American (Indian). His name was written in Roman Catholic records as
> > Simon Pipe. I suspect that Pipe is a corruption of his Germanic name.
> > He was supposedly born in Germany (Allemagne, as they wrote in
> > French).
> >
> > I've been searching various web sites for information on this person
> > and found your site and expertise to be the most likely one that might
> > be able to help. Have you heard of or read/written anything on this
> > Simon Pipe? If so, where can this info. be obtained?
> >
> > Sincere thanks for your help.
> >
> > Bob Chenard
> > Genealogist
> > The French Connection
> > Waterville, Maine
>
>

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