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From: Tom Hamm <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] Toms Creek MM
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:37:28 -0800
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I hate to dash your hopes, but there are no Toms Creek Monthly
Meeting records to be found because Toms Creek was never a monthly
meeting. There was a meeting for worship called Toms Creek in Surry
County that began in 1771 under New Garden MM. In 1786 it was set
off as Westfield MM.

T Hamm


>Hello Everyone,
>
>I'd like to respond a little differently. I certainly hope that our Hooker
>researcher doesn't give up the ghost on making her Hooker/Quaker connection
>because he isn't in Hinshaw's NC Volume. Just a couple of examples from my
>own experience, where I might draw similar, but faulty conclusions if this
>line weren't so well researched.
>
>First, a few months ago Jerry Richmond responded to my query about the
>completeness of NC Quaker records in Hinshaws with the email to the list that
>I copy and paste below. He points out numerous holes in which your Hooker
>could fall.
>
>Second...re Brethrens...my great grandparents Joseph Alexander Sexton and
>Ruth Marshill were Brethrens in Greene Co. Tennessee, according to his
>obituary in Lawrence Co., Missouri. Both had rich Quaker heritages from both
>the PA/DE >NC crowd, and the Pasquotank/Perquimanns early NC Quaker group.
>They ended up in the Rheatown TN area and around Limestone TN/Davey
>Crockett's birthplace near the Washington Co TN border with Greene Co., which
>was pretty well populated by participants at the Kings Mountain battle in the
>Rev. War.
>
>On the Sexton side there is descent from Abraham Horton and Martha Williams
>who died in the early 1800s in Surry Co., NC and attended TomsCreek/Westfield
>MM until their deaths at quite old ages. I descend from their son Daniel
>Horton, who was born September 13, 1752 in Bucks Co. PA. I am told that this
>birthdate is from a Quaker MM records in PA. I have not looked for that.
>BUT, he participated in the Revolutionary War and I assume that he was
>disowned ca 1780. However, there is no record of this event, or any other
>record in Hinshaws NC volume for him, though his father's death is noted, and
>the marriages of some of his siblings. There is no record of his
>disownment, I speculate, because it fell in the crack in the records below
>where the Toms Creek MM minutes have not been found. (Hope springs eternal
>--Remember some of the New Hope MM TN records were taken elsewhere I believe
>by the son of a clerk, in the last ten years or so a Prince George Co.VA will
>book showed up in some Union soldier's descendants attic as part of their
>ancestor's Civil War souvenirs; tax records for 1710s-1730s for Somerset Co.
>Maryland were found very recently to be the wrapping paper for other
>documents found in the courthouse heights or depths).
>
>I don't know too much about the Hookers but it is possible looking closely at
>those Hookers that are in Hinshaws, as well as records of the counties in NC
>where he lived during the general time period (which weren't indicated),
>might take you back to your Richard Hooker and Quaker parents somewhere along
>the line.
>
>East Tennessee (and NC I imagine) is virtually crawling with families that
>were Quakers in Pennsylvania/MD/Hopewell MM in Frederick Co.VA, then for
>whatever reason in Tennessee joined other faiths, such as Baptists. I
>speculate that the difficult terrain in many places, and general absence of
>Quaker meetings in Tennessee as a whole contributed to this change.
>
>Well those are my two cents.
>
>Janet Hunter (new email...formerly at )
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:55:33 -0600
>From: "Jerry Richmond" <>
>To:
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>Subject: Re: [Q-R] Hinshaws NC Completeness?
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>Janet asked about the completeness of NC records. Here is my
>assessment for those meetings which have problems. The 3 dates
>given are [1] the year meeting was established, [2] earliest surviving
>Men's Minutes, [3] earliest surviving Women's Minutes. Those Mtgs
>not mentioned are relatively intact.
>
> Estab Mens
>Womens
>Perquimans MM 1680 1706 1780
>Pasquotank MM 1698 1698 1715
>Falling Creek MM 1748 none none
>Contentnea MM 1772 1814 1774
>Neuse MM 1841 1841
>1872
>Spring MM 1793 1815
>1793
>New Garden MM 1754 1754 1790
>Center MM 1773 1835
>1825
>Toms Creek IM 1771 none none
>Westfield MM 1786 1786
>none
>Carvers Creek MM 1748 none none
>Dunns Creek MM ?? none none
>Trent MM 1792 none
>none
>
>In addition, BMDs of Perquimans MM were destroyed by fire in
>1851 and subsequently reconstructed from members private
>records. The abstracted BMDs are from this reconstruction.
>There is also one early book of Perquimans records that were
>discovered late in the original publication process and were
>inserted between pages 90 and 91. These records are not
>included in the electronic index on-line or on CD-ROM.
>
>Probably the loss of the records for the first 50-60 years of
>Center MM is the most significant lacuna as it was a large &
>important meeting.
>
>Although an important meeting, Carvers Creek was short
>lived and it is believed that all of its members are mentioned in
>the records of Cane Creek MM.
>
>Jack Swamp MM was also short-lived 1794-1812. It was set off
>from Rich Square MM & reabsorbed by that meeting when it was laid
>down. For whatever reason, Hinshaw decided to intersperse its records
>with those of Rich Square MM rather than give it an independent listing
>so the records really are there..
>
>Regards, Jerry Richmond
>You are cordially invited to visit "The Quaker Collection"
>http://home.sprynet.com/~jrichmon/qkrcoll.htm
>
>
>
>
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