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From: Joshua <>
Subject: Re: [OVERSHINER] Anybody here?
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:32:01 -0700
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Hi Connie!
I guess it could be the same guy then? Although would a tanner run a mill?
I've been guessing anyways that Gideon A.J.'s date of immigration from
Germany must be off as he didn't seem to know as much about his grandfather
as Martin did.
I've also got a biography of Martin, as a scan from the book, *A portrait
and biographical record of Madison and Hamilton counties, Indiana,* I
haven't typed it out yet though, and the list doesn't accept
attachements--so I've stuck it up online at:
http://obershimer.googlepages.com/567.jpg,
http://obershimer.googlepages.com/568.jpg The bio of my Gideon that I have
already seems to be many places on the internet.
I don't know when the notes are from, we don't have the original handwritten
stuff from either Martin or my Gideon, just a printed copy passed down at
least from my great-grandma. I have a Obit for my Gideon from the L.A.
Times, 10 Sept. 1898 so it must have been from before then. Both apparently
would both of been writing about their grandfather.
Has anybody looked to see if the immigrant Peter's gravestone can be found
in Augusta County? They didn't have death records that late I don't think.
Also, has anybody gone over to Frankfort to see if the line can be traced
back even further? Another German family in my line I've traced apparently
have records back till 1200 at the local church.
Also, does anybody have scans of any original documents? Like the marriage
record for instance, or birth records, or newspaper clippings, etc..? I'm
the kind of person that really loves that kind of thing :)
-Joshua
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Connie Shotts1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Joshua,
> > This is very exciting information. I think there may be some connection
> > to
> > the Overshiner family in Indiana whose ancestors came from VA and PA.
> > As to
> > the Peter Overshiner (Obersheimer, Overshimer) who is identified as the
> > Revolutionary War patriot, the information that is provided in the DAR
> > application is as follows:
> >
> > "During the first part of the Revolutionary War, Peter Overshiner
> > operated a
> > tannery in Allentown, Pa. The leather was essential to the Colonists.
> > By
> > trade he was a tanner. Beginning in the early part of 1779, he ran an
> > Inn
> > in Germantown and also continued to operate the tannery in Allentown.
> > In
> > 1783, he served in the Militia from Allentown, Northampton County,
> > Pennsylvania, 6th class, 3rd Battalion, 5th company, under the command
> > of
> > Captain Adam Clendening."
> >
> > There is a record of Peter Overshiner and his wife Anna Susanna Smeltzin
> > (or
> > Schmeltzin) being married 1 Aug 1771 in Easton PA (Marriages, German
> > Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Record). They sold their land in PA
> > and
> > moved to Augusta County Virginia after 1793 (Deed records, Northampton
> > County PA). Peter Overshiner died in Augusta County Virginia before
> > Sept.
> > 1805 when the record of his estate is recorded (Augusta County VA Court
> > records, and mention in Lymon Chalkley's Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish
> > Settlement in Southwest Virginia--which includes many of the court
> > records
> > for Augusta County VA). The city Staunton (pronounced Stanton and often
> > spelled that way by non-Virginians) is located in Augusta County VA.
> >
> > I think there are enough overlaps with what you have and the above
> > information to consider that these may be the same people.
> >
> > Do you know what dates the information provided by G. J. Overshiner and
> > M.L.
> > Overshiner were written? It sounds as if they would be only a few
> > generations removed from the immigrant Overshiner.
> >
> > I will be happy to share the info I have if you think it may fit
> > together in
> > some way with your information. And, of course, I would love to have
> > anything that you may care to share.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Connie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of Joshua
> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:21 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [OVERSHINER] Anybody here?
> >
> > I'm descended from Gideon A. J. Overshiner's daughter Minerva May.
> > Gideon
> > immigrated to California very early on. Below what I know about my side
> > of
> > the family, all just family tradition :)
> > There are some errors in this, as Gideon calls the immigrant his
> > great-grandfather, who emigrated in 1734, and M.L.O. (Martin) calls him
> > his
> > grandfather, which would mean he emigrated post-1734.
> >
> > The Peter who married a S. Schmelzin seems to have settled in PA, not in
> > Virginia, so I'm a little doubtful about him as all these notes mention
> > Virginia.
> >
> > I also recently got a GED from another family researcher yesterday, but
> > haven't had a chance to look at it more then very briefly as of yet.
> >
> > *The following brief sketch was furnished by G. J. Overshiner, of San
> > Diego,
> > California:
> >
> > Two brothers named Obershimer came to America from Germany. One settled
> > in
> > Connecticut. The other one on James River, Virginia, in 1734. One had
> > been
> > educated for a Catholic priest. He was forced to leave Germany because
> > of
> > his apostacy from the priesthood.
> >
> > Obershimer means a resident of Ober, a city on the Rhine, but the
> > American
> > immigrants transformed it into Overshiner, making a purely American
> > name.
> >
> > The Virginia Overshiner was great grandfather of G. A. J. Overshiner, of
> > San
> > Diego, Cal. The old people settled in Stanton, Virginia.
> >
> > Four of his grand children emigrated to Pennsylvania. They were Philip,
> > Abraham, John and Gideon. Of these Abraham settled in West Virginia,
> > John in
> > Warsaw, Missouri: Gideon, who had been a wheel-wright in Woodstock, Va.,
> > settled in Kentucky. His son John is the father of Charles D., of Santa
> > Ana,
> > Calif., who recently married a Mrs. Humphreys.
> >
> > Philip emigrated from Stanton, Va., to Washington Co., Pa., for awhile;
> > married Elizabeth Kentline in Chambersburg, Pa. Their children:
> >
> > 1. Margaret, born about 1809; married Luther Cone: settled in
> > Deleware,
> > O., then moved to Kansas.
> > 2. Catherine, born about 1812; married John Lawrence Long.
> > 3. Elizabeth, born abt 1814; mar'ed Wm. Baker of Nichols; went to
> > Ohio.
> > 4. John, unmarried.
> > 5. Mary Ann, born abt 1816; mar'ed
> > 6. Julia, unmarried.
> > 7. Rebecca, mar'ed Wm. (?) Custer, owner of woolen factory at Loudon,
> > Pa.
> > 8. Leonard, died young.
> > 9. Philip, died young.
> > 10. Gideon Andrew Jackson, born Feb'y 4, 1825, lives in San Diego,
> > Cal.
> > 11. Peter, born about 1828; mar'ed [long blank line] lives in Mt.
> > Victory, Harden Co., Ohio.
> >
> > G. A. J. Overshiner, born Feb'y 4, 1825; mar'ed Minerva Dunphey (born
> > Jan'y
> > 3, 1829 in Canton, St. Lawrence Co., N.Y.) Sept. 13, 1848; children:
> >
> > 1. John Gideon, born July 26, 1850, in Galena, Ilis.
> > 2. Frances Eugenia, born May 12, 1853, in Sacramento, Cal.
> > 3. Eliza Jane, born March 4, 1855, in Sacramento, Cal.
> > 4. Minerva May, born January 15, 1857, in Sacramento, Cal.
> > 5. Lloyd Spencer, born Nov. 20, 1858, at Cottonwood, Yolo Co., Cal.
> > 6. Lincoln Philip, born Aug. 24, 1860, at Cottonwood, Cal.
> > 7. Charles Prentice, born March 3, 1862, at Washington, Cal.; died
> > August 20 1863.
> > 8. Ulysses Grant, born April 5, 1864, in Woodland, Cal; died Sept.
> > 1865.
> > 9. Charles Colfax, born May 20, 1868, in Woodland, Yolo Co., Cal.
> > 10. Harry Wesley, born Oct. 24, 1870, in San Diego, San Diego Co.,
> > Cal.
> >
> > Frances E., married first, Wm. O. Swinnerton April 4, 1875; he dying
> > April
> > 30, 1885; married second, J.H.Ruile.
> >
> > Eliza J, married Albert Bowman, Jan'y 28, 1871; children:
> >
> > 1. Albert Edwin, born June 21, 1874.
> > 2. Maurice Henderson, born June 12 1876.
> > 3. Emma May, born Feb'y 19 1878
> > 4. Lottie Frances, born May 24, 1881
> > 5. Betsy Minerva, born Feb'y 12 1884
> > 6. John Henry, born Aug 26, 1886
> > 7. Lloyd Spencer, born March 17, 1888.
> > 8. Rosella Canyon, born June 29, 1889.
> >
> > Residence, San Diego, Cal.
> >
> > Minerva May married B.A.Stephens (born March 5, 1855.) Sept. 8, 1878;
> > children:
> >
> > 1. Bascom Albert, born October 11, 1879.
> > 2. Minerva Eleanor, born January 3, 1882
> > 3. William Asbury Gideon, born September 6, 1886.
> >
> > Residence: San Diego, (crossed out and in pencil Los Angeles) Cal.
> >
> > Lloyd S. married Carrie Maria Tiffany (born July 6, 1867) Nov. 13, 1887.
> > Children:
> >
> > 1. Chalres Leo, born Nov. 16 1888
> > 2. Clarence John, born Jany. 11, 1890. died Aug. 4, 1890.
> >
> > Residence: Riverside, Calif.
> >
> > ___
> >
> > The following notes were recieved from M.L. Overshiner, of Summitville,
> > Madison Co., Ind.
> >
> > M. L. Overshiner's father, Abraham, died in Jefferson City, Mo, in 1850.
> > He
> > was the youngest son. M. L. O. has two brothers in Missouri, George W.
> > who
> > lives at Warsaw, Benton county and Wm. who lives at Calhoun.
> >
> > Jas. M. O., of Elwood, Ind., is nephew to M. L. O.
> >
> > John J. O., of Hopkinsville, Ky., is M.L.O's fist cousin, and son of the
> > latter's uncle, Gideon. J.J.O's brother Alexander also lives in
> > Hopkinsville.
> >
> > Gideon J. O, of San Diego, Cal., is a son of M.L.O's uncle Philip.
> >
> > M.L.O's sister Mary Gibson lives in Texas, Ellis Co. His brother Abraham
> > died in Texas and his brother Charles was killed by the rebels in
> > Missouri
> > during the war in 1864.
> >
> > M.L.O.'s children are all grown; the youngest 28 years old.
> >
> > M.L.O. was in Colorado in 1876, in Hopkinsville in 1840-1 and carried on
> > the
> > wagon business there. He has been farming 36 years and now has his farms
> > rented out. He traded in stock a number of years. Bought and shipped to
> > Pittsburg. P., and Cincinnati, O.
> >
> > G.J.O., of San Diego, Cal., has four sisters living in Ohio, three of
> > them
> > widows, and one single, Julia, who lives with G.J.O's brother Peter at
> > Mt.
> > Victory, Ohio. One of the sisters Mrs. Baker, lives in Marion, Ohio, and
> > another, Mrs. Long, in Cleveland, Ohio. G. J. O.'s grandfather Peter was
> > born at Franfort (sic) on the Mine, in Germany, and was educated for a
> > Roman
> > Catholic priest. He had 5 sons and 2 daughters: Peter, John, Philip,
> > Gideon
> > and Abraham; Katie and Mary, who never had any children and died in
> > Texas
> > about 1833. Peter O. Jr., had but two children, Isaac and Mary. Isaac
> > has
> > one son, J.O.O., living in Portland, Jay Co., Ind., and he lives in
> > Salem,
> > Washington Co, Ind.
> >
> > Peter O, Sr., had a farm and large grist mill in Virginia and was killed
> > one
> > night in the mill by falling down the hatchway which some one had left
> > open.
> >
> > Jas. M. O., lives in Elwood, Ind, and is a prominent and wealthy citizen
> > of
> > that place. He has one son E.R.O. living in the same place, and a
> > brother
> > George who was in the war.*
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Karen Miller <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think there is a connection, but I'm not positive of exactly how
> > they
> > > connect. I have more at home, but I'm at work right now, so I'll have
> > to
> > > check this evening. I'll see what kinds of reports I can generate and
> > send
> > > you what I have.
> > >
> > > It's always nice to find others researching the same line. I haven't
> > > found much traffic on the Overshiner path.
> > >
> > > I'm working on getting my DAR membership and this is one of the lines
> > I am
> > > considering using. Are you a DAR member?
> > >
> > > Have a great Monday and I'll be in touch...;-)...K.> From:
> > > > To: > Date: Mon, 21
> > Apr
> > > 2008 09:10:47 -0400> Subject: Re: [OVERSHINER] Anybody here?> > Hi, >
> > I am
> > a
> > > descendant (proven) of Margaret Overshiner, b. Apr 1803 in VA>
> > (probably
> > > Augusta County - not proven) who married William Riley Chandler in>
> > > Washington County IN 18 Jan 1822. Margaret, who was known as Peggy,
> > died
> > in>
> > > Monroe County IN 18 May 1897. Both she and her husband (who died May
> > 1880)>
> > > are buried in the Chandler Cemetery in Monroe County IN near the
> > Brown>
> > > County line. What I don't know for sure is who Margaret's parents are
> > -->
> > > they may be Peter and Anna Susanna (Schmeltzin) Overshiner (also
> > appears
> > as>
> > > Obenscheimer) who married in Easton Pennsylvania 1 Aug 1771. Peter
> > died
> > in>
> > > Augusta County VA before Sep 1805, and Anna Susanna had died in 1798.
> > > >
> > I
> > > believe that Margaret is related to Isaac Overshiner who lived and
> > died
> > in>
> > > Washington County IN, but I don't know how; I don't think she is a
> > sister.>
> > > One of the contemporary news articles about Isaac Overshiner states
> > that
> > he>
> > > was born in VA but his father died while he was young and he went to
> > live>
> > > with his uncle Gideon who moved to Christian County KY; it also
> > identifies>
> > > only one sister (named Mary who lived in Tunnelton IN at the time of
> > the>
> > > article). Gideon Overshiner remained in Christian County KY and his>
> > > descendants are fairly well documented. According to one set of DAR
> > papers,>
> > > Gideon is a son of Peter and Anna Susanna (Schmeltzin) Overshiner. I
> > have>
> > > seen the DAR papers but not the proofs submitted with them. I have
> > ordered>
> > > these and hope that they will include proof for both Margaret and
> > Gideon>
> > > being the children of Peter Overshiner but Margaret may be a
> > granddaughter>
> > > rather than a daughter. It would seem that Isaac Overshiner of
> > Washington>
> > > County IN is a grandson of Peter and Anna Susanna and the son of one
> > of>
> > > their sons who are identified on the DAR papers as Peter, John,
> > Philip,
> > and>
> > > Abraham in addition to Gideon. I believe that Abraham ended up in what
> > is>
> > > now West Virginia, but I don't know about any of the other sons. > >
> > Please
> > > let me know if this connects with your Overshiner family research.>
> > Connie
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: >
> > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of Overshiner
> > > Researcher> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:52 PM> To:
> > > > Subject: [OVERSHINER] Anybody here?> > Hi
> > all,>
> > > > I am starting Overshiner research, and was wondering if anybody is
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