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From: "Rosemary Jorgenson" <>
Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] JOSS / STOBBIE
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:47:41 -0400
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Hi Marg and/or Charlie. I am interested in your Paton line because my
husband has Paton's from Banff, Banffshire, Scotland and it would be great
if we could find a link to yours. If you are interested in sharing info
please let me know. Thanks.
Rosemary


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marg McFarlane" <>
To: <>; <>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ONTARIO] JOSS / STOBBIE


Hi:

Do you already have their marriage reg:

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Name: Andrew James Joss, bachelor, shipping clerk, resides Hamilton,
Presbyterian
Birth Place: MacDuff Scotland
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Father Name: David Joss, born Banff, Scotland
Mother Name: Margaret Paton
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Shields Stobbie, spinster, bookkeeper, Presbyterian,
resides Hamilton (4 days)
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Spouse Birth Place: Edinburgh Scotland
Spouse Father Name: John Stobbie, born Perth, Scotland
Spouse Mother Name: Katherine McKay
Marriage Date: 1 Aug 1921
Marriage Place: Hamilton, Wentworth
Minister: Rev. James Annesley, 115 Catharine Street North, Hamilton,
Presbyterian
Witnesses: Chrissie C B Joss, 146 Ferguson Avenue South, Hamilton, and Wm
D. J. Johnstone, 39 Cheever? Street, Hamilton
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_594 Reg. #024684

You can view his WWI Draft Registration by scrolling down to Military and
then clicking on Soldiers of the First World War.

Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918

Name: Andrew James Joss
Residence: 235 Young Street, Hamilton, Ontario
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1891
Birth Location: MacDuff, Banff, Scotland
Marital: Single
Religion: Presbyterian
Occupation: Receiver in wholesale
Relative: Maggie Joss, same address as above
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 3106341
September 27, 1917

If you want to get copies of his full military file:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-130-e.html?PHPSESSID=763raod2hat2o842g5osv23br2#g

And the passenger list of the ship he was on during the War:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Proceeding from Bramshott
Proceeding to Hamilton
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Port of Arrival: Halifax

Name: Andrew James Joss
D Number: 3106541
Rank: Private
Regiment: 2 COR?? Hard to read
Division Unit: 54th
Original Unit: 2 COR
Category: A
Occupation Group: 21
Next of Kin: Mother
Religion: Presbyterian
Residence: Hamilton
Date of Arrival: 6 Jun 1919
Vessel: Mauretania
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14795

Do you have his parents' deaths:

Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
County of Wentworth, Division of Hamilton
Name: Margaret Joss
Death Date: 27 Mar 1923
Death Location: 141 Charlton Ave East, Hamilton, Wentworth
Length of Residence at place of death: 3 years
Length of Residence in Ontario: 10 years
Gender: Female
Age: 69
Born: 1854
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Birth Location: Scotland
Occupation: Housework
Father: Peter Paton, born Scotland
Mother: Don't know
Informant: George Joss, son, 199 Kensington Avenue North, Hamilton
Burial: March 30, 1923
Undertaker: Blachford & Wray, Hamilton
Cause: Myocarditis
Physician: O. A. Cannon, Hamilton
Reg. #036906

Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
County of Wentworth, Division of Hamilton
Name: David Joss
Death Date: Mar 14, 1925
Death Location: General Hospital, Hamilton, Wentworth
Length of Residence at place of death: 18 days
Length of Residence in Ontario and in Canada: 12 years
Gender: Male
Age: 67
Born: May 27, 1858
Birth Location: Scotland
Occupation: Shoemaker
Father: David Joss, born Scotland
Mother: Betsy Collie, born Scotland
Informant: Andrew Joss, brother, 141 Charlton Avenue East, Hamilton
Burial: Hamilton Cemetery, March 17, 1925
Undertaker: Blachford & Wray, Hamilton
Cause: Cancer of intestines
Physician: M. G. Brown, General Hospital, Hamilton
Reg. #035021

There are 27 other Joss deaths in Ontario that you can view at your local
LDS family history centre. Birth registrations are not available to the
public for the time frame that Andrew,Jr and another other children of
theirs would have been born.

Some of the Joss family arrived on this ship:
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Date of Arrival: 7 May 1913
Vessel: Saturnia
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-4794

David, age 54, married, destination Hamilton, Ontario, current occupation
bootmaker, intends to be a bootmaker in Hamilton, Presbyterian, travelling
on the Grand Truck Railroad to Hamilton
Mrs, age 56, married,housewife
Andrew J., age 21, single, was a postman in Scotland, will take any clerking
job in Hamilton
William, age 19, single, was a grocer, will take any clerking job

The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid:

http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php

It looks like Andrew James and Elizabeth were buried in Woodland Cemetery,
Flamborough East Twp., Wentworth County, Ontario. There are more Joss
burials on this site. For more info:

For REFERENCE FIELD numbers beginning with "HM-", write to...

Hamilton Branch, OGS
P.O. Box 904, LCD 1
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
L8N 3P6

They are also listed on the Ontario Gene Society's cemetery index:

http://ogs.andornot.com/CemeteryIndex.aspx

Hamilton Cemetery is online here:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cancemet/ON/ONH14566/S/

David & Margaret Paton Joss' grave markers are on the site.

Woodland cemetery has not been photographed yet so your source for burial
info would be:

http://www.hwcn.org/link/HBOGS/

http://www.hwcn.org/link/HBOGS/Researchservices.html

If you scroll down to Hamilton on this page, there are volunteers who will
provide various service. They may or may not charge a small feeL

http://www.raogk.org/ontario.htm

Other family info:

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Name: Bessie Jane Joss, spinster, resides Hamilton, Presbyterian
Birth Place: MacDuff Scotland
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Father Name: David Joss
Mother Name: Margaret Paton
Spouse Name: Sydney Harold Charman, bachelor, woodworker, resides Hamilton,
Anglican
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Spouse Birth Place: Tadworth England
Spouse Father Name: James Charman
Spouse Mother Name: Jane Smith
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1914
Marriage Place: Hamilton, Wentworth
Witnesses: Maggie Johnstone, 28 Cheever Street, Hamilton, and Andrew James
Joss, 235 Young Street, Hamilton
Minister: S. Banks Nelson, 49 Young Street, Hamilton, Presbyterian
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_328 Reg. #024735

Bessie's arrival in Canada:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Bessie Jane Joss
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 in Scotland
Occupation: Dressmaker
Destination: Toronto
Marital Status: Single
Date of Arrival: 7 May 1912
Vessel: Athenia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Athenia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images'
database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-4784

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Name: George Joss, bachelor, baker, Presbyterian, resides Hamilton
Birth Place: McDuff Scotland
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Father Name: David Joss
Mother Name: Margaret Paton
Spouse Name: Sarah Jane Kinnaird, spinster, Presbyterian, resides Hamilton
Spouse's Age: 27
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Spouse Birth Place: Edinburgh Scotland
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Kinnaird
Spouse Mother Name: Sarah Jane McGuigan Kinnaird
Marriage Date: 28 Jul 1914
Marriage Place: Hamilton, Wentworth
Witnesses: William Joss, Hamilton, Sarah Hennessy, Merriton, Ontario
Minister: Samuel MacLean, St. Mary's, Ontario, Presbyterian
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_327 Reg. #024381

I found a passenger list for George Joss which says "Returning Canadian" so
he must have emigrated earlier than this:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: George Joss
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Born: Scotland
Marital Status: Single
Have you Ever Been in Canada Before: Yes, in 1908, Hamilton for 3 years
Date of Arrival: 7 May 1912
Destination: Hamilton
Vessel: Athenia
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-4784

and right below his entry is one for Maggie Johnstone, perhaps the same
person who witnessed the marriage of Bessie Jane Joss, above? Her info on
the passenger list:

Maggie Johnstone, age 29, married, travelling with William D. Johnstone, age
4 months, born Scotland. Maggie is a returning Canadian, was in Hamilton
for 4 years, she was born in Scotland, destination is Hamilton.

This must be George's original passenger list from 1908:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: George Joss
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 in Scotland
Marital: Single
Destination: Hamilton
Occupation: Warehouseman (I think)
Date of Arrival: 26 May 1908
Vessel: Pretorian
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-493

You might be able to find him on the 1911 census at
www.automatedgenealogy.com but also, he might have been back in Sct at the
time of the census, June, 1911.

1901 Scotland Census

Name: David Joss
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Maggie
Gender: Male
Where born: Logie, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St James
County: Midlothian
Address: 27 Beaverhall Terrace
Occupation: Boot Maker
ED: 65
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_374
Household Members: Name Age
David Joss 45 born: Logie, Aberdeenshire Bootmaker
Maggie Joss 45 born: Gamrie, Banffshire
David Joss 16 born: MacDuff, Banffshire
George Joss 13 born: MacDuff, Banffshire
Betsy J Joss 11 born: MacDuff, Banffshire
Andrew J Joss 9 born: MacDuff, Banffshire
William H Joss 7 born: MacDuff, Banffshire

I looked at the Toronto Star but found no Joss obits.

This is all I can find.

Marg in Sunny Alberta

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Vivien & Charlie Clarke <
> wrote:

> I would appreciate any help to discover any information about Andrew James
> JOSS and Elizabeth Shields STOBBIE (Liz), who were married in Ontario in
> 1921, or their family. Both were born in Scotland. I know that they had
> at
> least one child, Andrew. Liz was my great aunt.
> Thanks
> Charlie
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