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From: "Joanne McLean" <>
Subject: Re: [ONT] DOUBLE IDENTITY - Any Suggestions
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:10:00 -0500
References: <005801c3d7bd$430e3060$5b19dbcb@oemcomputer>


In addition to Jill's observations, the ethnicity also seems to have changed
from German to Irish.

Despite this, it would seem to be the same family. The youngest in the GRAVE
clan in 1881, 10 year old Nelson, appears in the 1901 in Dresden, Bothwell
as 30 year old Nelson GROFF, a lodger with the possibly remarried Yoretta
BARBER. Brother John GROFF, with his wife & daughter are also in Bothwell
1901. (see 1901 automated census at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html


I too doubt that "James in 1881" is the "twin" of the James in 1871,
deceased in 1873 --- where was he in 1871? (You'd need to find a stray
GROFF/GRAVE of the right age in 1871)






Joanne
Toronto, Canada





----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Glover" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Fw: [ONT] DOUBLE IDENTITY - Any Suggestions


> Hello Gail,
> I'm just wondering about the surname on the 1881 census It
> says GRAVE, Andrew, how do you know the James is GROFF? Could be a
different
> family? Am I missing something?
> Jill.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> After five years, I finally located my ggg grandparents on the 1881
Ontario
> Census yesterday. The last known residence of my GROFF family was
> listed in the Atlas County Map for Adolphustown, Lennox & Addington County
> in 1878 .
>
> I'm having a problem with their eldest son JAMES GROFF born about 1857. I
> have a copy of the Death Registration for Adolphustown, for a James Hart
> Groff age 16 years - died 30 Sept. 1873 (birth would be about 1857). The
> Informant is Andrew Groff of Adolphustown. However, in the 1881 census a
> James (b. abt. 1857) is listed with the family. Could they be twins!
> .....with James (2nd) using his middle name????
>
> Below I have copied both census records.
>
> Any suggestions would be most welcomed.
>
> Thank you,
> Gail
> Newmarket, ON
>
>
> In the 1871 Adolphustown Census they are listed as--
>
> Groff, Andrew M 38 Ontario W. M. Mason
> German
> Yourathy F 33 "
> " -------
> James M 13 " "
> School
> Margaret F 11 " "
> "
> Adelade F 8 " "
> "
> Clary F 6 " "
> "
> John M 3 "
> " ------
>
>
> In the 1881 Camden, Bothwell Census --
>
> Grave, Andrew M 48 Farmer M Irish ---
> Youretta F 45 Farmer M Irish C.M.
> James M 24 Farmer " "
> Jane F 21 "
"
> Adelade F 18 " "
> Ann F 15 (Note: Clara Ann) She is also listed
with
> married sister
> John M 12 Margaret in the 1881 Adolpustown
> Census age 16.
> Nelson M 10
>
>
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