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From: auntie-do <>
Subject: Re: [ONT] Pages of the Past
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:05:18 -0800
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Hi Gary - Interesting stuff, isn't it? I have found a lot of valuable info
on The Globe site, although my ancestors arrival from Ireland in mid 1800's
seems to have been missed, but that's ok - I got many others and opened a
few closet doors as well.

But apart from the family research, I have really enjoyed reading articles
of events taking place at the time; even reading the ads for Castoria,
Cuticura, Dodd's Kidney Pills, Eaton's, Simpsons etc. and the fashions that
were illustrated have been akin to a trip in a time capsule. Just
marvellous! Top bad this site was available for such a short time.

Regards - and thanks for the copyright info.
Doreen
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boivin" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ONT] Pages of the Past


> Having owned three community newspapers and having sold advertizing for
> Thompson's Newspapers, I know what the fine print says. But the fact is
that
> the newspaper can only copyright the format that it is presented in and
not
> the ad copy. Most ad copy is supplied by 3rd parties and they own the
> copyright (you can't copyright someone else's copyright). When I ran my
> newspapers, I subscribed to a service that supplied me with layout
artwork.
> I had to use that artwork within a certain timeframe (that month) and
would
> have been charged if I used it a few months later or next Christmas (for
> example). The 3rd party had a copyright on their material.
>
> Since the ad copy for an obituary is supplied by a 3rd party -- either the
> family or the Funeral Home --- they retain ownership of the material and
> control of its use. The newspaper can only copyright how it appears /
looks
> in the newspaper.
>
> The newspapers are bound to the same copyright restrictions that we
amateur
> genealogists have to follow. We cannot copyright data --- so all our
> research cannot be protected... Only the manner in which the data is
> presented can be copyrighted. We are allowed to take direct quotes from a
> published works as long as it's within reason and credit as to source is
> given.
>
> That is why you will find a new phenomena --- that some authors are
putting
> false information in their data books --- the correct data cannot be
> copyrighted but anything fictitious can be (gotta watch yourself when
> researching --- I even found some fiction in a marriage registry published
> by a well known genealogical society). Your safest bet is to only use
> registries that are more than 20 years old.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "auntie-do" <>
> To: "Gary Boivin" <>; <>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ONT] Pages of the Past
>
>
> > Hi Gary -
> >
> > I know that these days funeral homes, as agent for the deceased's
family,
> > will supply death notices to the papers. However, in the past it was
> > prepared, submitted and paid for by the family as a paid announcement.
I
> > seem to recall reading fine print that once the notice was printed it
> became
> > the property of the publisher and therefore subject to copyright.
> Copyright
> > law has changed over the years and even photocopying a page from a book
> and
> > giving it to someone else is an infringement of that law. Paying for
the
> > book only allows you the privilege of reading and keeping it, not
copying
> > it - so I guess the same applies to newspapers.
> >
> > Maybe we'll hear from someone who is familiar with copyright law on this
> > subject. I would like to know before I get into deep doo-doo.
> >
> > Doreen
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Boivin" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ONT] Pages of the Past
> >
> >
> > > BTW... The Toronto Star does not own the copyright on ads...
> > >
> > > And that is exactly what the Obituary Section is. Paid for ads. The
Star
> > > doesn't post obits that aren't paid for. Usually the ads are paid for
by
> > > funeral homes which tack on the charges to the funeral expenses. But
the
> > > data is supplied by the family and the layout is approved by the
family.
> I
> > > think the Toronto Star would be hard pressed to prove ownership.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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