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From: "Edward Smith" <>
Subject: Francis' Neck [was Re: [NYSUF] Re: Tarman's Neck]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:45:40 -0500
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From: "Alison C. Wallner" <>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: [NYSUF] Re: Tarman's Neck
> Hello Ned!
> Besides the later undated reference to widow Abigail Fancy being a tenant
> Tarman's Neck, I noticed that in William Fancy Jr.'s 1682 mortgage to John
> Inians and Andrew Gibb, that along with his loom, he is also mortgaging
> my pine tackling knotts and tarr together with all the preveleges
> apurtenances at the south in possession of John Egelston tar burner..."
> The link to the map you sent was very helpful! This is the same neck of
> I more or less figured Tarman's Neck must be. To confuse matters even
> the Brookhaven Town Historian had sent an old map, where a neck of land is
> labeled Fancie's Neck. She said later it was called Francis Neck. She felt
> that "Francis" evolved from "Fancies". As far as I can tell from this map,
> Fancies Neck and Tarman's Neck seem to be the same neck of land.
I found something more on Francis Neck. As I thought it was further west
than Bellport and Fireplace. According to "Long Island: A History of Two
Great Counties- Nassau and Suffolk" edited by Paul Bailey (New York: Lewis
Historical Publishing Co., Inc: 1949), speaking of Winthrop's Patent: "The
whole patentship was held in the Winthrop family and its nine necks of land
were rented out and managed by local Long Island agents."
"In 1749 John Still Winthrop sold Francis' and Moger's Necks- the two
easternmost ones which now comprise most of East Patchogue..."
So that definitely places Francis' Neck in East Patchogue. Returning to the
1873 map from the Brooklyn Genealogy pages which I had linked to earlier in
< http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Brkhaven3.1.html > I think it was
probably the area shown south of the writing "EAST PATCHOGUE", between 2
creeks, where the residence of "S.F. Hand" is depicted.
Regarding Osborn Shaw's statement that Tarman's Point was in the Old
Purchase at the South, near Fireplace Neck- I wonder if there might not
have been two areas called Tarman's Point? One in Winthrop's Patent and one
in the Old Purchase. The tarmen were probably fairly ubiquitous in the area
at that time, and Long Islanders didn't seem to hesitate to give the same
name to multiple places- there were several Hog Necks, Cow Necks, Horse
Necks, Rocky Points, Stony Brooks, Cedar Islands, Strong's Necks, Howells
Necks, etc., etc. So it wouldn't be far-fetched, but don't take this as more
than an idle speculation on my part.