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From: "Edward Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [NYSUF] Re: Tarman's Neck
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:30:15 -0500
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From: "Alison C. Wallner" <>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: [NYSUF] Re: Tarman's Neck
> Hello Ned!
> Besides the later undated reference to widow Abigail Fancy being a tenant
> Tarman's Neck, I noticed that in William Fancy Jr.'s 1682 mortgage to John
> Inians and Andrew Gibb, that along with his loom, he is also mortgaging
> my pine tackling knotts and tarr together with all the preveleges
> apurtenances at the south in possession of John Egelston tar burner..."
> The link to the map you sent was very helpful! This is the same neck of
> I more or less figured Tarman's Neck must be. To confuse matters even
> the Brookhaven Town Historian had sent an old map, where a neck of land is
> labeled Fancie's Neck. She said later it was called Francis Neck. She felt
> that "Francis" evolved from "Fancies". As far as I can tell from this map,
> Fancies Neck and Tarman's Neck seem to be the same neck of land.
I'm not positive but I think Fancies Neck must be a little bit further to
the west, on the other side of Bellport. If you recall, when I wrote to you
and Paul about Fancies Neck last year I mentioned that it was supposed to
have been within Winthrop's Patent. I don't think that extended as far east
as Tarman's Neck which was supposed to be within a different area called
"The Old Purchase at the South".
I agree that Fancies Neck and Francis Neck are probably the same; the Long
Island Gazetteer by Proehl and Shupe places Francis Neck to the west of
Bellport and Tarmen's Neck to the northeast.
> It figures that Tarman's Neck appears to be in no-man's land :) I'd be
> interested if anyone has the answer to Walter's question - in which of
> 3 communities (the Hamlet of Brookhaven and the Village of Bellport as
> as the Hamlet of North Bellport) was the land that was previously known
> "Tarman's Neck"? Could "Tarman's Neck" straddle any two or even all 3
> community borders?
I still haven't got that sorted out, but in any case none of those 3
communities would have existed during the period in which you are
interested. Further, so-called "hamlets" are unofficial entities, so for
official purposes the area today would either be within the Village of
Bellport in the Town of Brookhaven, or in the unincorporated portion of the
Town of Brookhaven. It wouldn't have been no-man's land in the late
1600s/early 1700s either. I think Tarman's neck was within the limits of
Brookhaven at that time, but if it wasn't then it would have been within
Winthrop's Patent. Did the reference you found in the Winthtop Papers say it
was within Winthrop land (i.e. Groton Manor) or abutting it?