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From: "Sharon Dean Lee" <>
Subject: Re: [NA-INDIAN-TRADERS] reference material
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:54:33 -0400
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Thank you for this list and for the previous link.

SDL

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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [NA-INDIAN-TRADERS] reference material

Interested in the Indian removals and Tsalgi in general.

Jahoda, Gloria, THE TRAIL of TEARS, the story of the American Indian
Removals 1813,-1855

Blankenship, Bob, Cherokee Roots Vol. 1: Eastern Cherokee Rolls, Vol. 2
Western Cherokee Rolls.
(These are probably online)

Mooney, James, History, Myths and Scared Formulas of the Cherokees, with a
biographical introduction by George Ellison



In a message dated 08/21/08 22:51:44 Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Sharon,
Thank you for these good reference books.
I am VERY interested in anything about the Cherokee removal from GA in
1833-36?. I always forget exactly which year and I believe there were
several removals-right?
There is a beautiful State Park in Lincoln Co GA on the Savannah River. When

we go there I try to imagine how it must have been when the AM Indians lived

there. This is before the Brits came and aligned themselves with the
Cherokee to fight with them against the Colonials.The Cherokee played an
important part in one of the Brits captures of Augusta, GA. I think this is
another example of the Indian siding with the side that they thought would
win. One can not blame them. Their survival was at stake also.
DNA may be the only answer to some of these genetic connections.
thanks
betty in ga
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Dean Lee" <>
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NA-INDIAN-TRADERS] trying to figure out the family mess


> The Dale County part of the story interests me because of the connection
> to
> my Bryan great grandfather b. 1823. He was thirteen years old during the
> 1836 Indian uprising and told my grandmother the story of his family, who
> were warned by friendly Indians in time to leave their home in Russell
> County before the renegade Creeks attacked. My great grandfather turned
> around in the wagon to see his house burning. The family moved back
> across
> the Chattahoochee to Randolph Co, GA.
>
> I have read a similar story in a Mizell family document. The information
> about this last uprising is online at several sources:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gataylor/crkindw.htm
>
> Another good source is:
> Fretwell, Mark E. This So Remote Frontier: The Chattahoochee Country of
> Alabama and Georgia. Tallahassee: Rose Printing for the Historic
> Chattahoochee Commission, 1980, pp. 244-245. (I will follow this email
> with
> a segment from that source.)
>
> This was a hard period also because of the epidemics that swept through
> white and Indian communities.
>
> Your family stories may indeed be a combination of many episodes that
> occurred over more than one generation. What clued me into the fact that
> the story my great grandfather told might have been an historic event was
> the Mizell account. I began researching and found he accounts in various
> newspapers of the era (like the Columbus Journal and the Macon Telegraph).

> Contemporary history texts have not dealt with the accounts, and the South

> has no collective guilt involving the treatment of the Creeks and of this
> last uprising because 1) Southern whites were weary of the Indian Wars and

> just wanted to put all behind them 2) most Southern whites moved into the

> areas only after the Indians had been removed.
>
> What is shocking to me is the story revealed by the land documents in
> Chambers Co, AL, where the Indian owners' names are listed on the deeds
> following their deaths that then passed to what were obviously white
> representatives. One such person was a John J Williams. The following is

> one of the court documents relating to John J Williams as an Indian
> Trader:
>
> The People of Chambers County, Alabama. Volume II. The 1850 Census
> and Genealogical Facts.1985: LaGrange, GA, McDaniel Printing. Collected,
> Abstracted, and Annotated by John Peavy Wright. Copyright by Martha S.
> Anderson. Genealogical Room, Washington Library, Macon, GA. Copy on
> file, Sharon Dean Lee.
>
> p. 7
> Book 17 part I p. 214 Jan. Term 1849
> CORPREW versus
> ARTHUR et als
> Error to Chancery Court of 15th District
> Bill filed by plaintiff in error against the defendants Gideon
> Arthur and the heirs of John J. Williams and alleges that prior to the
> year
> 1833, said Arthur, a white man, residing in Creek Indian Territory, now
> included in Co. of Chambers, by intermarriage with a woman of Creek
> nation, becamed [sic] identified as a member of said Indian tribe.
> About the year 1834 said Arthur and John J. Williams formed a partnership
> for purpose of trading with the Indians. That from the time of
> Arthur's location on land till 1843, he resided on and cultivated it and
> that in 1843, having become wholly insolvent, he abandoned the
> possession and removed to parts unknown; that said Williams is dead;
> that in 1839 plaintiff became Arthur's security on several debts due by
> hm; one to Mrs. Elizabeth Gray for $1200; another judgment in favor of
> Mrs. Brodnax and another in favor of Thomas Noble; another in favor of
> John D. Hurst.
>
> These are just two examples of Indian-related historical contexts in
> Alabama. I suggest that one way to answer your questions is to study the
> history of each of the areas where your ancestors lived. There also are a

> number of books that list Indian traders. The following are titles in the

> DAR library in DC; I'm sure these are available in other libraries:
>
> 1. The Indian trade in colonial Pennsylvania, 1730-1768 : traders and
> land
> speculation / Yoko Shirai
> Title: The Indian trade in colonial Pennsylvania, 1730-1768 : traders and
> land speculation / Yoko Shirai
> Location: DAR Library American Indian Coll AMER-IND CULTURES
> NORTHEAST SHI Available
>
> 2. Indian traders of the southeastern Spanish Borderlands : Panton,
> Leslie
> & Company and John Forbes & Company 1783-1847 / William S. Coker, Thomas
> D.
> Watson
> Title: Indian traders of the southeastern Spanish Borderlands : Panton,
> Leslie & Company and John Forbes & Company 1783-1847 / William S. Coker,
> Thomas D. Watson
> Location: DAR Library States & Regions Col THE SOUTH REGIONS
> GULFCOAST COK Available
>
> 3. Indian traders on the middle border : the house of Ewing 1827-1854 /
> Robert A. Trennert
> Title: Indian traders on the middle border : the house of Ewing 1827-1854
> /
> Robert A. Trennert
> Location: DAR Library American Indian Coll AMER-IND CULTURES
> NORTHEAST TRE Available
>
> 4. South Carolina Indians, Indian traders and other ethnic connections
> beginning in 1670 / edited by Theresa M. Hicks
> Title: South Carolina Indians, Indian traders and other ethnic connections

> beginning in 1670 / edited by Theresa M. Hicks
> Location: DAR Library American Indian Coll AMER-IND CULTURES
> SOUTHEAST SOU Available
>
> 5. South Carolina soldiers and Indian traders / compiled by Tony Draine
> and John Skinner
> Title: South Carolina soldiers and Indian traders / compiled by Tony
> Draine
> and John Skinner
> Location: DAR Library States & Regions Col SC MILITARY 1607-1775
> DRA
>
>
>
>
> SDL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:25 PM
> To:
> Subject: [NA-INDIAN-TRADERS] trying to figure out the family mess
>
> I hope someone out there might hold the answers to the family mess that
> seems to be getting bigger and more of a headache than I care to deal
> with.
> I hope that I have located the right list, if not I'm so sorry for wasting

> everyones time. I understand this list is for those that delt with Indian
> traders, the problem is I'm not sure if my lines are in that.
> The dreaded family stories throw us in the mix and what has been located
> seem to have put us in the blender of mass confusion.
> The line that has caused all this is a George RENFROE/RENFRO/RENFROW
> b.1727
> poss. in Pa. George and also the lines of ROBINETTE his mothers lines
> traveled in North Carolina and later Georgia. Here come the family
> stories...George was to have been a trader among the Indians and possible
> married also into a tribe he was trading with. We have never been able to
> locate a wife at this point but have been able to locate that his son
> Sampson was invovled in a special unit of Indian spies. Sampson was b. in
> 1768 in Anson North Carolina. Here he go with another family story that is

> starting to make sense. Have been told that Sampson's son Philip also was
> a
> trader with the Indians and was close enough to them to be called to as
> family. That they spent many of time between each family. Phillip was also

> have told the area Chief of a great massacre that was to take place upon
> there village. The people were warned in enough time to relocate but aways

> promising to honor and protect the Ren!
> froe na
> me.
> Phillip was b.1802 in Ga but later settled in Dale alabama with his wife
> Sarah MATTHEWS daughter of Levi MATTHEWS and Martha RENFROE.
> Hoping someone might be able to help me put some of these stories to rest
> as
> well as were to look to locate more on this great line and heritage.
> thank you
> kim
>
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