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From: "Don Collins" <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Croats and Melungeons - 5 ships
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:19:40 -0600
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I have been to Croatia, a beautiful place.

Don

http://www.studiacroatica.org/jcs/01/0103.htm


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Subject: [MELUNGEON] Croats and Melungeons - 5 ships


> Hi Guys!
>
> Ok, on several occasions I have mentioned that Brent told me that he knew
> about some EARLY ships to America. Proven and documented. I did not
remember
> exactly what he told me, but in recent correspondence, a note about this
> appeared and prompted my memory to research where I had gotten that note.
>
> I had forgotten I had some info that is not highly publicized. One of my
> list members, Kay, noted the quote
> about 5 ships from Croatia and wanted to know what I had found, so I had
> to go back and look. I
> sent this to Don and Kay and now to the list.
>
> Don likes this and says he will likely quote it. I think it is very
> interesting. Wish I had the facilities to do more research.
>
> I have a book which is very hard to read:
>
> Croatia and Croatians and the Lost Colony 1585-1590
> by Adam S. Eterovich
> Ragusan Press
> San Carlos, California
> copyright 2003
>
> The quote did NOT come from the book,
>
> BUT .....
>
> Ok, I found something here amongst some notes that Evelyn Orr (a
> Melungeon researcher/friend of Brent's and mine) had been researching
> on the Croatians. Kay says her 2nd highest DNA comes from the Croats.
>
> Both Evelyn and Brent thought that more research should be done on
> these folks but Evelyn did not have time, I was interested, so she
> gave me her notes. What with my health issues, I have not had time to do
> anything with them
> either.
>
> Some research she quotes comes from Charles L. Prazak from what is
> noted as the
> Carologue, Summer 1993 Journal
>
> Prazak is a resident (at that time) of Berwyn, Ill, a retired teacher,
> who has done graduate work in Linguistics and Literature. Apparently
> he passed away and his daughter sent some of his research to Evelyn.
> She said he taught among other things English as a Second Language and
> had had Croatian students. He referenced other researchers in his
> work. Just SCANNING thru these papers I found the following notes:
>
> April 2000 Notes for Brent and Carroll - Prazak Research - deceased
> March 1997
>
> Prazak noted: "Louis Adamic article in SVETU J(Y)ugo-Slavian Magazine,
> April 1992 subject - 5 ships from Dubrovnic, Croatia 1449 - 3 return
> and tell of 2 ships wrecked in large bay. Adamic believed to be
> Chespeke - plans for rescue abandoned because of upcoming war with
> Turks. This Adamic article, and original documents need to be found.
> 1995 SVTU defunct for several years."
>
> Another note:
> Prazak himself refers to two more voyages from Croatia 1470 and 1530.
> Roanoke given as both places of landing. (SAYS) "I did not catch the
> source in his papers. May have from letters with Vincent Sinovic, 1995
> or the Adamic research .... Needs to be pursued."
>
> Another note:
> Letter to Roundtree, Oct 28, 1995, he mentions "Brent Kennedy's tribe
> traced in his book. The melungeons, I showed him; "that melun, with
> no respelling is the Croat word for GNOME, and zeljan prounced ZHEOYN,
> means Desirous, or devoted to reaching goals. Kennedy will cite my
> material in his new edition of his book"
>
> (SO, we have another possibility for the meaning of Melungeon and you
> know I like this one better than 'eggplant' - Melungeons were small:-)
>
> >From another page Prazak notes:
> Powhatan Family names:
> Matoaka - Capt John Smith spelling
> Matorka, in Croatian means "Big Little Girl", a nickname used in
> Croat families today.
> Pocahantas - Smith spelling - in Croatian means "Little Flirt"
> At age 14, she was named Amonate, Croatian-Latin for amo, love, plus
> nate, birth or being born.She was thus called "Born of Love' and this
> same endearment is also common in Croatian families today.
>
> Prazak speaks of his article "Croatians in America Before Columbus:
> 1449" gives no indication where published. Writes inquiry to the
> Georgia Journal with incontrovertible etymological proofs, that scores
> of unmistakenly clear lexical specimens that attest to the accuracy of
> revelations made by Jugo-Slav author Louis Adamic regarding a trans-
> Atlantic expeditionary fleet of five Croatian-Damascan ships as
> recorded in the archives of 1449 at Triest and Dubrovnic.
>
> Prazak believe many Indian place names/words were influenced by
> Croats. Gives examples
>
> Article notes"
> Jugo-Slav writer Louis Adamic found in the archives of the old
> Croatian-Dalmatian ports of Dubrovnic, and at Trieste, records of a
> trans-oceanic voyage dated 1449 A.D. by five shiploads of Croatians,
> of which two shiploads stayed abroad. He pursued the matter, sought
> out a small number of words and names from the area of the Lost Colony
> of Roanoke 1589 that are undeniably Croatian words, starting with the
> name "Croatoan" carved on a wood plaque at the site John White's ill-
> fated colony. It was obviously not carved by an Englishman, he pointed
> out, but by an Indian who wrote Serbo-Croatian: It was spelled
> KROAT (OMEGA SYMBOL) AN. The long "O" in S-C is the omega of the
> Cyrillic alphabet.
>
> (MY note: the English do not like KR spellings and almost always change
> them to CR.)
>
> Prazak says he has found additional evidence to prove beyond all doubt
> that a Croatian population, at least a population including Croatians,
> pre-existed in America when Columbus arrived. Much proof appears to be
> lexical.
>
> Prazak quotes Gunnar Thompson - American Discovery: Our Multicultural
> Inheritance (1994) - speaks of his -Prazak's, work being disdained for
> over 20 years by editors addicted to traditionalism and Columbus-
> adulation. Speaks of his South Carolina article printed by Carologue
> and 2 other articles scheduled to be printed. Says Gunnar Thompson,
> does NOT discount his (Prazak's) linguistic evidences as mere
> accidents. - Says Croatians Were The Discoverers of America. (This is
> a long piece and I have not read the rest of it.)
>
> Prazak also quotes David Beers Quinn for the English discovery of
> America in 1481 - new letters found in 1956 by Dr.Louis Andre Vigneras
> from an English merchant John Day written in Spanish to a Spanish
> official called Almirante Mayor whom Vigneras thought was Columbus.
> (this too is a long article and I have not read the rest of it.)
>
> He mentions Adam Eterovich, the author of the book I have. - said sent
> him some materials. Adam and Brent had corresponded for some time.
>
> >From Eterovich's book; p.102/103
>
> Melengi-Melingoi-Melungeon
>
> quotes the "so-called Melungeons were discovered in the Appalachian
> Mts in 1654 by English explorers and were described as being 'dark-
> skinned with fine European features.'
>
> Says: Melingi is a Slavic tribe in the mountains of the Peloponnesus
> which unlike most of the other Slavs of Greece did not become
> hellenized but retained its identity and remained Slavic-speaking
> throughout the Middle Ages into the Ottoman Turkish period.
>
> This explains a little - I hope. Maybe more later.
> Love
> Nancy
>
>
> The Melungeon Health Education and Support Network:
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>
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>
> Reading the clues -
> Genealogy research helps unravel a mystery of Appalachian medicine:_
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