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From: "Mike R. Sanchez" <>
Subject: [Zacatecas] The Gutierrez and the Sanchez
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:34:25 -0700
Posted on: Zacatecas State<br>Mexico Queries
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Surname: Gutierrez Foncerrada Sanchez
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I would like to make a correction. Raymond Gutierrez, was born in Auona,
Calientes, Mexico. Also his son name was Raymond and sometime called ray.
Bill was his stepson. The Address of the Gutierrez Family, was 509 East
32nd Street, Los angeles, California. Raymond Gutierrez, was affectionately
called Daddy Ray and Nellie Fonscerrada, Gutierrez, was called Mama Nell,
by all in the Family. Sometime later, Ishmael Sanchez and his wife Lillian
Fonscerrada, Sanchez, returned to California, to live with Emma Sanchez,
the mother of Ishmael Sanchez. On March 22, 1944, Ishmael and Lillian Sanchez,
had their first child. They name her Jessie Marrie Sanchez, better known
as Irene. In 1947, at the age of three years old. Irene was given to Nellie
Gutierrez. The mother of Lillian Sanchez, to raise as her owned child?
I believe this was done for econmic reasons, and was to be temporary. Because
in this time period, Ishmael Sanchez, had a hard time finding a job, in
California. He would go to Arizona and elsewhere? with his wife, Lillian.
In which, sometime he left her behind, for many months. In which she would
stay, with her mother, Nellie or Emma, house. In February, 6, 1947, a son
was born, in Los angeles, California. They name him, Mike Robert Sanchez,
a person, who will go the Vietnam War in 1968. Also Who his writing, this
Genealogy Report on his Ancestors. The third born, was name David Johnny
Sanchez, born on July 29, 1948, Los Angeles, California. He will become
the Founded of the Brown Beret, School Walkout, March 1968. The fourth
child, was born on September 1, 1957, Los Angeles, California. They name
her, Arlene Sally Sanchez. In or around 1947, Ishmael Sanchez, worked for
the Pima Copper? or Silver? mine, in Arizona. In which the company store,
gave easy credit to their workers, and housing. At a inflated price, in
which Ishmael found that is paycheck, could not paid off his debt to the
company store. This place was run like a prison, with guard everywhere.
Also you needy a special permission pass to leave this company, even for
a while. I guest you can say, that he own his soul to the company store.
After many months, getting deeper in debt. Ishmael got a permission pass,
and escaped to Califonia, with his wife Lillian and child. In which Ishmael
Sanchez, neaver returned to Arizona. He would now, worked for Raymond Gutierrez,
his father inlaw, for a while, on and off as a laborer. He will later find
a job, working for the Santa Fe Railroad Company To be continue
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