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From: "Dixie List" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST] Update
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:34:11 -0600
I guess I am the organizer and if you would like you could do that if
you would like.
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From: "John List" <>
To: "List Mailing List" <>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: [LIST] Update
> Hi Everyone,
> Well, finally, some good news although a little bad too. First with the
> Actually this will depend upon how Brian looks at it. Brian, a member of
> Tree 21, upgraded his DNA profile to 37 markers. The results put him (and
> tree 21 depending on other males from that tree joining the project) way
> on a limb all by himself. He is still Haplogroup R1b1 as we in Tree 1 and
> are but the surname List, in both cases, evolved from totally different
> lines. R1b1 by the way is defined as:
> "R1b1 Haplogroup R1b1 is the most common haplogroup in European
> It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized
> after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. This lineage is
> also the haplogroup containing the Atlantic modal haplotype." You can
> read more on this in the Genographic project.
> Brian comes the closest to Kenneth of Tree 12 but then a less that 10%
> chance in 500 years. However, if Kenneth upgrades to 37 markers this could
> close up...or widen the gap! Both trees start in Germany and both have
> members emigrating to the US.
> That leads us to the good news! Trevor upgraded his profile to 37 markers
> and I have upgraded mine from 37 to 64. Prior to this upgrade there was
> a 50/50 chance that Tre1 and Tree 3 shared a common ancestor within a 500
> year time span. When Trevor's results came in they showed more markers
> matching mine and this has shown an almost 100% chance of us both having a
> common male ancestor within the last 500 years. In fact, there is a 77%
> probability that we shared that ancestor within the last 12 generations.
> That is, within the last 300 years. If Trevor were to upgrade to 67
> the time period would narrow down even more but this is sufficient for us
> both to pick up the paper trail in earnest. So, watch this space; we soon
> hope to join Tree1 and Tree 3 and this will be the first major
> of the project.
> All this goes to show that the more markers we test for the tighter the
> results between family groups. Because Brian in Tree 21 is further out
> before it must be remembered that it only takes one of the other groups to
> match his 37 markers and then find themselves on the way to joining their
> trees. Tree 21 will never connect with either Tree 3 or 1. That we have
> already shown. But it can connect with others. We need more males from
> not yet tested and for those on the 12 marker profile to upgrade, if they
> can to 37.
> Finally, yet another appeal. Both Brandon and Kenneth (or their
> should check their preferences at FTDNA and allow matches against all
> Not just the surname LIST. In addition, to give both of you a better
> of finding random matches world wide you should upload your results to
> Y-Search, again from FTDNA. I can do both tasks for you if you ask.
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