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From: "John List" <>
Subject: [LIST] Update
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:59:20 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time)


Hi Everyone,

Well, finally, some good news although a little bad too. First with the bad:

Actually this will depend upon how Brian looks at it. Brian, a member of
Tree 21, upgraded his DNA profile to 37 markers. The results put him (and
tree 21 depending on other males from that tree joining the project) way out
on a limb all by himself. He is still Haplogroup R1b1 as we in Tree 1 and 3
are but the surname List, in both cases, evolved from totally different male
lines. R1b1 by the way is defined as:

"R1b1 Haplogroup R1b1 is the most common haplogroup in European populations
It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized
after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. This lineage is
also the haplogroup containing the Atlantic modal haplotype." You can
read more on this in the Genographic project.

Brian comes the closest to Kenneth of Tree 12 but then a less that 10%
chance in 500 years. However, if Kenneth upgrades to 37 markers this could
close up...or widen the gap! Both trees start in Germany and both have
members emigrating to the US.

That leads us to the good news! Trevor upgraded his profile to 37 markers
and I have upgraded mine from 37 to 64. Prior to this upgrade there was only
a 50/50 chance that Tre1 and Tree 3 shared a common ancestor within a 500
year time span. When Trevor's results came in they showed more markers
matching mine and this has shown an almost 100% chance of us both having a
common male ancestor within the last 500 years. In fact, there is a 77%
probability that we shared that ancestor within the last 12 generations.
That is, within the last 300 years. If Trevor were to upgrade to 67 markers,
the time period would narrow down even more but this is sufficient for us
both to pick up the paper trail in earnest. So, watch this space; we soon
hope to join Tree1 and Tree 3 and this will be the first major breakthrough
of the project.

All this goes to show that the more markers we test for the tighter the
results between family groups. Because Brian in Tree 21 is further out than
before it must be remembered that it only takes one of the other groups to
match his 37 markers and then find themselves on the way to joining their
trees. Tree 21 will never connect with either Tree 3 or 1. That we have
already shown. But it can connect with others. We need more males from trees
not yet tested and for those on the 12 marker profile to upgrade, if they
can to 37.

Finally, yet another appeal. Both Brandon and Kenneth (or their organizers )
should check their preferences at FTDNA and allow matches against all names.
Not just the surname LIST. In addition, to give both of you a better chance
of finding random matches world wide you should upload your results to
Y-Search, again from FTDNA. I can do both tasks for you if you ask.

Cheers
John





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