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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:38:07 -0500
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Include test (Dan M)
2. Re: Include test (Rod Dav4is)
3. Re: Non-archived lists handled OK? (bob gillis)
4. Re: Include test (Valorie Zimmerman)
5. Re: editing reply messages? (Valorie Zimmerman)
6. Formerly: Resent from --> Now: X-BeenThere (Valorie Zimmerman)
7. Re: snipping and subject lines (Lainee Denton-Jones)
8. Re: Another problem - multiple copies of messages (Anne)
9. Re: Include test (Margaret L. Sopp)
10. Re: Include test (Anne)
11. Re: Include test (Margaret L. Sopp)
12. Re: Admin note: "On Topic" posts (Anne)
13. Unsubscibe ()
14. Re: editing reply messages? ()
15. Re: Moving?? (kenneth burton)
16. Re: Moving?? (Drew Smith)
17. Re: Moving?? ()
18. Moving ------thank you (kenneth burton)
19. Re: Custom Messages with Mailman ()


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:42:30 -0700
From: "Dan M" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
To: <>, <>
Message-ID: <027c01c6c03e$5d4a65e0$>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Steady rows of dash's or ='s could set off ISP content filters or AV filters
and cause problems with a message.

Dan M
www.wvi.com/~wb
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Dav4is" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test


>
> --
> Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA
> Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/
> 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century
> New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+
> Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/
> email:
> "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
> -Pogo Possum (1970)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------



> THIS IS A TEST


> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:44:00 -0400
From: Rod Dav4is <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
Cc: ,
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I don't understand what you mean, Dan.

My message at the head of this thread was sent by dragging that file
NONCE.TXT into the space in my email client's compose menu -- just as I
would attach anything to an email.

Melissa, If you think that attachments are being blocked on the list --
they're not.

Dan M wrote:

>Steady rows of dash's or ='s could set off ISP content filters or AV
filters
>and cause problems with a message.
>
>Dan M
>
>
>

--
Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA
Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/
447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century
New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+
Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/
email:
"We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
-Pogo Possum (1970)




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:46:20 -0400
From: bob gillis <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Non-archived lists handled OK?
Cc:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Would the list admins PLEASE direct their questions and comments to
LISTOOWNERS-L. At the bottom of each list-update message ther is:

This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of the
mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like
settings and tools) on the list.

My underlines for emphasis

Leave this list to the subscribers.

bob gillis

Bill Reace wrote:

>On of my lists does not get archived, due to it's special nature and use.
Will that get handled OK (in the sam manner) when it's converted?
>
>Thanks,
>Bill R.
>
>
>>From breace at topsider dot net
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:07:22 -0700
From: Valorie Zimmerman <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Monday 14 August 2006 10:22 pm, Rod Dav4is wrote:


ICK! This came through showing as a text attachment. I seriously hope that
attachments are *never* allowed in Rootsweb lists. Plain Text is the gold
standard. Notice that the attachments were not quoted.

Valorie


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:17:36 -0700
From: Valorie Zimmerman <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] editing reply messages?
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Sunday 13 August 2006 9:47 pm, Teena wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I do apologize, in advance, if my question sounds off the beaten
> path.
>
> But pray tell.....is there no way for folks to 'EDIT" the messages they
are
> sending to this digest mode? I enquire, as I seem to be trawling through
> tons of repeat messages, simply to get to the new ones.
>
> This may seem petty to some, but time is valuable and I do so loathe
> reading the same message over, and over again.
>
> Just an idea. ('Tis Hard enough for me at this point, to grasp the
> migration process, and excess e-mails simply cause more confusion, as I
> look for the answer to the original e-mail.

::snip::

Teena

Every email program I've ever seen, used, or heard of, allows the editing of
reply text, Subject line, and To, CC & BCC lines. Unfortunately, many people
never avail themselves of the power of their chosen email program. When a
list is extremely busy, as this one is, such thoughtfulness is most
appreciated and important. Please, people, SNIP whatever text is not needed
in your reply! This is just good manners.

Valorie


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 04:56:06 -0700
From: Valorie Zimmerman <>
Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Formerly: Resent from --> Now: X-BeenThere
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Monday 14 August 2006 8:05 pm, Bret Busby wrote:

::snip::
> At least one of the questions that I have raised, about this change to
> mailman, has still not been acknowledged.
>
> The particular question, asked whether the headers of messages
> distributed by this list, in not including the Resent data (Resent From
> and Resent Date), will operate for all Rootsweb lists when all Rootsweb
> lists are converted to mailman; or, is this a feature that smartlist
> provides, that is not provided by mailman?
>
> This is fairly important, as it is a parameter that can be used for
> filtering, and, for separating messages that are distributed by Rootsweb
> mailing lists, from messages sent to Rootsweb lists, that are not
> distributed by the lists.
>
> As shown by the header above, no Resent data are included.

::snip:: (and wow, do I wish people on this list were doing more snipping!)

Bret, the relevant part of the headers of your post are:

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:05:06 +0800 (WST)
From: Bret Busby <>
X-X-Sender:
To: Melissa <>
In-Reply-To: <>
Message-ID: <>
References: <>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Spam-Score: 1.31 (*) BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34
Cc:
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Admin note: "On Topic" posts
X-BeenThere:

Notice that "X-BeenThere"? That is the equivalent of "Resent from."

Finally a question I can answer!

Valorie


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:36:18 -0500
From: Lainee Denton-Jones <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] snipping and subject lines
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
x-avg-checked=avg-ok-12903F0D

I also wish people would change their subject lines to reflect what
they are discussing in the message...opening an email with one
subject line only to find that on top of not snipping non-pertinent
portions of the email they haven't changed the subject line and the
message of the text is entirely different than the subject line
points too. Also, digest receivers hopefully changing the subject
line from RE: XXX Digest Vol X Number X...

Lainee

At 07:17 AM 8/15/2006, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:

>On Sunday 13 August 2006 9:47 pm, Teena wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
><snip>
> >
> > But pray tell.....is there no way for folks to 'EDIT" the messages they
are
> > sending to this digest mode? I enquire, as I seem to be trawling through
> > tons of repeat messages, simply to get to the new ones.
>
>::snip::
>
>Teena
>
><snip>
> Please, people, SNIP whatever text is not needed
>in your reply! This is just good manners.
>
>Valorie

<snip unnecessary taglines for reply>



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:37:34 +0100
From: Anne <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Another problem - multiple copies of
messages
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 4:32:20 AM, Brett wrote:

B> I have also received multiple copies of messages distributed by the
B> list, and I am most definitely not an AOL client.


I'm getting the same and mine is a Yahoo! mail address, so again
nothing to do with AOL.

--
Cheers,
Anne

Docwra Family Research Project http://www.docwras.org.uk





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:43:38 -0500
From: "Margaret L. Sopp" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
To: <>
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Rod wrote:
> I don't understand what you mean, Dan.
>
> My message at the head of this thread was sent by
> dragging that file NONCE.TXT into the space in my email
> client's compose menu -- just as I
> would attach anything to an email.
>
> Melissa, If you think that attachments are being blocked
> on the list -- they're not.


Rod's message with the nonce.txt was one of the list posts I received
yesterday that included an attachment.

Margaret




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:43:47 +0100
From: Anne <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 11:44:00 AM, Rod wrote:

R> Melissa, If you think that attachments are being blocked on the list --
R> they're not.


Agree with Rod. His test message above arrived here with two text
attachments - one of which was the list tagline block which is not
normally separated out from the message body. I can send a screenie to
Melissa if she wants to see proof of this.

--
Cheers,
Anne

Docwra Family Research Project http://www.docwras.org.uk



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:49:46 -0500
From: "Margaret L. Sopp" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Include test
To: "'Valorie Zimmerman'" <>,
<>
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Valorie wrote:
> ICK! This came through showing as a text attachment.
> I seriously hope that attachments are *never* allowed in
> Rootsweb lists. Plain Text is the gold
> standard. Notice that the attachments were not quoted.


So I'm not the only subscriber who received messages from this List
yesterday with attachments????

Margaret




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:58:29 +0100
From: Anne <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Admin note: "On Topic" posts
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


On Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 4:05:06 AM, Bret wrote:

B> The particular question, asked whether the headers of messages
B> distributed by this list, in not including the Resent data (Resent From
B> and Resent Date), will operate for all Rootsweb lists when all Rootsweb
B> lists are converted to mailman; or, is this a feature that smartlist
B> provides, that is not provided by mailman?


Reading the headers of your message above they are different, but the
one which seems to me to be the same function as the Resent From is
this one:

X-BeenThere:

So you could filter on that, or you could use either of these fields
to filter on initially I'd have thought:

List-Id: <list-update.rootsweb.com>
X-Loop:

--
Cheers,
Anne

Docwra Family Research Project http://www.docwras.org.uk





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:12:54 EDT
From:
Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Unsubscibe
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"




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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:14:33 EDT
From:
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] editing reply messages?
To: ,
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


In a message dated 8/15/2006 8:29:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Every email program I've ever seen, used, or heard of, allows the editing
of

reply text, Subject line, and To, CC & BCC lines. Unfortunately, many
people
never avail themselves of the power of their chosen email program.


Every email program may ALLOW it (and I agree they DO), but to be realistic
many do not bother to do that--and that is precisely why we need the hack to
strip the extraneous addresses from the headers before a message comes to
any
RootsWeb list.

Joan


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:25:57 -0400
From: "kenneth burton" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Moving??
To: <>
Message-ID: <000c01c6c076$b98c6e60$>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

Hello--------
I think I missed something was gone out of town for a while
the entire list is moving???

I belong to a lot of different lists do I have to re subscribe to
everything or will I be automatically switched over???
Thank you ----
Susan Ohio


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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:25:47 -0400
From: "Drew Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Moving??
To: <>
Message-ID: <00ad01c6c076$b4311fb0$>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

While the lists are "moving" to new list management software, you won't need
to do anything. Your subscriptions will continue as before.

Drew Smith

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of kenneth burton
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:26 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Moving??

Hello--------
I think I missed something was gone out of town for a while
the entire list is moving???

I belong to a lot of different lists do I have to re subscribe to
everything or will I be automatically switched over???
Thank you ----
Susan Ohio



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:38:57 EDT
From:
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Moving??
To:
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


Hello--------
I think I missed something was gone out of town for a while the entire
list is moving???

I belong to a lot of different lists do I have to re subscribe to
everything or will I be automatically switched over???
Thank you ----
Susan Ohio




----
Hi, Susan-

As a list subscriber there isn't anything you need to do to prepare for the
moving of the lists to a new management system. It is merely important
that
you be aware that this is going to happen in case you fall into one of the
categories where the move might impact how you receive your list may--just
so
you will be aware of what is happening.

For instance, if you subscribe to a list in both list and digest modes--you
will be automatically dropped from digest mode upon the migration. If you
want to resub to the digests (while remaining subbed in list mode) you would
need to use a different email address for the digests.

If you filter mail from lists to a special folder you may need to tweak
those filters to ensure that list mail will end up where you want it to be.

Just a few minor differences to be aware of when your subscribed lists
migrate to the new software.

For most subscribers the changeover should be relatively seamless.

Joan


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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:03:24 -0400
From: "kenneth burton" <>
Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Moving ------thank you
To: <>
Message-ID: <000e01c6c07b$f4fefda0$>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

Thank you all who replied to my question keeping fingers & toes crossed for
a smooth move

Hope you all have a TERRIFIC DAY !!! Susan Ohio


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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:58:04 EDT
From:
Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Custom Messages with Mailman
To: ,
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


In a message dated 8/15/2006 3:09:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Lauren wrote:

> There is no good bye message anymore... not with mailman.

It's called "goodbye_msg" and is the "Text sent to people leaving the list"
that gets added to the unsub message. From the looks of the Tutorial, it's
another Mailman feature we won't have access to.

Daryl



Thanks for bringing this up Daryl. You are absolutely correct. There seem
to be a bunch of options on the General Options page that are available in
Mailman that are not appearing on the RootsWeb admin page. Apparently
RootsWeb
is not permitting admins to use these options--and some maybe I can
understand but this one I cannot.

On my non-RootsWeb Mailman list, under Notifications, I am given the option
to either SEND or NOT SEND a welcome or goodbye letter and I had hoped we'd
be given the option to silently unsub--this comes up occasionally if a
subscriber dies for instance and you don't want to bother the family.
However, I
can understand that it might be thought admins could abuse this
option...but
between those two options is the following one:

"Text sent to people leaving the list. If empty, no special text will be
added to the unsubscribe message." This is followed by a box for entering
a
customized goodbye message.

If possible this option SHOULD be added back for our use. I could almost
have sworn these boxes WERE there at the beginning of testing and
disappeared
after I stopped studying those pages. <g>

Joan
(Edit goodbye_msg)


Between send welcome message and send goodbyr message under general
options.


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