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Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] LIST-UPDATE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 21
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:20:56 -0700
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>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: finley (Lauren Boyd)
> 2. Re: Sent with no Reply-to. (Bret Busby)
> 3. Re: What the heck IS going on????? (Melissa)
> 4. Re- Re: What the heck IS going on????? (Mo! Langdon)
> 5. Re: recent change to reply method for the list m was "what
> the heck..." (Lauren Boyd)
> 6. Re: Sent with no Reply-to. (Rod Dav4is)
> 7. Re: What the heck IS going on????? (Rod Dav4is)
> 8. Marginally off-topic request (Rod Dav4is)
> 9. Re: editing reply messages? (Teena)
> 10. Re: editing reply messages? (Lauren Boyd)
> 11. Re: editing reply messages? oops! (Lauren Boyd)
> 12. Re: Marginally off-topic request (Beth Johnston)
> 13. Re: Marginally off-topic request (Beth Johnston)
> 14. Character sets (Bret Busby)
> 15. Only getting about half the messages from this list?
> ()
> 16. NO MAIL option (Morris Simon)
> 17. Re: NO MAIL option ()
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:38:57 -0700
> From: "Lauren Boyd" <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] finley
> To:
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hello Wilma:
>
> Perhaps you misaddressed your message or are confused as to the
> purpose of this list?
>
> Our List Admin, Melissa, posted a message earlier, perhaps before you
> subscribed?
>
> You will find it archived here:
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LIST-UPDATE/2006-08/1155509782
>
> You will find a list of genealogical lists to choose from here:
> http://lists.rootsweb.com/
>
> You will find surname and locality lists where you may find the
> appropriate
> audience for your genealogical post.
>
> Good luck to you in your genealogical endeavors.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lauren
>
>
> On 8/13/06, Wilma Marche <> wrote:
>> I am researching Susan Finlay-Finley born 1851- I believe in ireland .She
>> married John Steele in 1873 in Prince Edward Island.John Steele was born
>> in 1841-1845
>> His Parents were Ronald Steele and Mary Campbell.This john Steele died
>> 1895 in Hospital in Boston Massany inf would be greatly app.
>> thanks
>> wilma
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:59:02 +0800 (WST)
> From: Bret Busby <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Sent with no Reply-to.
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Rod Dav4is wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:30:01 -0400
>> From: Rod Dav4is <>
>> To: Rod Dav4is <>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Sent with no Reply-to.
>>
>> From: Me
>> To: List
>>
>> As always...
>>
>>
>>
>
> It helps if people posting messages to mailing lists, use the email
> address for posting messages to the list, as the To address, as some of
> us filter messages on the To address, and messages such as the one
> above, that are not even addressed to any Rootsweb mailing list, are
> just plain nasty, as they sabotage filtering.
>
> --
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..............
>
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
> you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
> Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
> "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
> A Trilogy In Four Parts",
> written by Douglas Adams,
> published by Pan Books, 1992
>
> ....................................................
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:19:20 -0600
> From: "Melissa" <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] What the heck IS going on?????
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Rod,
>
> I did change the list setting from "reply to list" to "reply to poster" to
> see if it would cut down on the amount of off-list comments that were
> coming
> to the lists.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Melissa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Rod Dav4is
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:37 PM
> To:
> Cc: ;
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] What the heck IS going on?????
>
> Now this is different from it was this afternoon!
>
> From: Me
> To: List
> Reply-to: Me <== this is new
>
> This difference can be verified by looking at any of my previous
> messages, except the two (three?) that say the were sent with no
> Reply-to. I normally have reply-to set to my Yahoo address.
>
> What the heck is going on?
>
> Is the Mailman server inconsistent?
> Has someone changed the server settings? Melissa?
>
> -R.
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:36:05 -0400
> From: Mo! Langdon <>
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Re- Re: What the heck IS going on?????
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <p06110408c1059feadedd@[10.1.221.10]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> At 9:19 PM -0600 8-13-06, Melissa wrote:
>
>>Rod,
>>
>>I did change the list setting from "reply to list" to "reply to poster" to
>>see if it would cut down on the amount of off-list comments that were
>>coming
>>to the lists.
>
> I vote for changing it back to reply to list; please don't make the rest
> of us suffer...
>
> Sl?n,
>
>
>
> Mo!
> --
> <http://xri.net/=mobang>;
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:49:03 -0700
> From: "Lauren Boyd" <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] recent change to reply method for the list
> m was "what the heck..."
> To:
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mo!
>
> I doubt we get a vote in the matter... as with most lists, the Admin
> must do as she/he deems best. However, I too found it "ok" to have the
> setting as "reply to
> list." Partly, my opinion is due to experiencing private responses
> from newbie folks and confused posters directly. Their questions may
> be better served by posting
> directly to the list. I do find I need to pay more attention to the
> address lines as
> well as sometimes they would appear with the list address in the "to"
> field and
> others as a cc.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lauren
>
> On 8/13/06, Mo! Langdon <> wrote:
>> At 9:19 PM -0600 8-13-06, Melissa wrote:
>>
>> >Rod,
>> >
>> >I did change the list setting from "reply to list" to "reply to poster"
>> >to
>> >see if it would cut down on the amount of off-list comments that were
>> >coming
>> >to the lists.
>>
>> I vote for changing it back to reply to list; please don't make the rest
>> of us suffer...
>>
>> Sl?n,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mo!
>> --
>> <http://xri.net/=mobang>;
>>
>> **************************
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>> settings and tools) on the list.
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>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:19:21 -0400
> From: Rod Dav4is <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Sent with no Reply-to.
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Very interesting, Bret. That message appears here as:
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Sent with no Reply-to.
>> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:57:21 -0400
>> From: Rod Dav4is <>
>> Organization: Genealogy, et Cetera
>> To:
>
> Note the differences: Date, To, cc.
> And I did send both messages TO the list.
>
> -R.
>
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Rod Dav4is wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:30:01 -0400
>>>From: Rod Dav4is <>
>>>To: Rod Dav4is <>
>>>Cc:
>>>Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Sent with no Reply-to.
>>>
>>>From: Me
>>>To: List
>>>
>>>As always...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It helps if people posting messages to mailing lists, use the email
>>address for posting messages to the list, as the To address, as some of
>>us filter messages on the To address, and messages such as the one
>>above, that are not even addressed to any Rootsweb mailing list, are
>>just plain nasty, as they sabotage filtering.
>>
>>--
>>Bret Busby
>>Armadale
>>West Australia
>>..............
>>
>>"So once you do know what the question actually is,
>> you'll know what the answer means."
>>- Deep Thought,
>> Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>> "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>> A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>> written by Douglas Adams,
>> published by Pan Books, 1992
>>
>>....................................................
>>
>>**************************
>>This list is reserved for discussion of topics related to the update of
>>the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like
>>settings and tools) on the list.
>>-------------------------------
>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA
> Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/
> 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century
> New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+
> Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/
> email:
> "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
> -Pogo Possum (1970)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:23:45 -0400
> From: Rod Dav4is <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] What the heck IS going on?????
> To: Melissa <>
> Cc:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Whew! I thought I was going bonkers! ;o) ;-)
> But there is still something mysterious going on. See Bret's message and
> my reply. :-\
> -R.
>
> Melissa wrote:
>
>>Rod,
>>
>>I did change the list setting from "reply to list" to "reply to poster" to
>>see if it would cut down on the amount of off-list comments that were
>>coming
>>to the lists.
>>
>>Sorry for the confusion.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Melissa
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>>[mailto:] On Behalf Of Rod Dav4is
>>Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:37 PM
>>To:
>>Cc: ;
>>Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] What the heck IS going on?????
>>
>>Now this is different from it was this afternoon!
>>
>>From: Me
>>To: List
>>Reply-to: Me <== this is new
>>
>>This difference can be verified by looking at any of my previous
>>messages, except the two (three?) that say the were sent with no
>>Reply-to. I normally have reply-to set to my Yahoo address.
>>
>>What the heck is going on?
>>
>>Is the Mailman server inconsistent?
>>Has someone changed the server settings? Melissa?
>>
>>-R.
>>
>>
>>**************************
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>>the
>>mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like
>>settings and tools) on the list.
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>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>>
>>
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>>the mailing lists. List Admins should discuss admin-specific topics (like
>>settings and tools) on the list.
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>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA
> Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/
> 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century
> New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+
> Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/
> email:
> "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
> -Pogo Possum (1970)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:55:22 -0400
> From: Rod Dav4is <>
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Marginally off-topic request
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I just got the announcement sent to an email address I seldom use.
> Obviously, that address is subscribed to SOME list, but which one(s)?
> The announce is no help, nor is password central. How can I find out?
>
> --
> Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA
> Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/
> 447 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17?-19? century
> New England & European roots. Total population: 108,300+
> Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/
> email:
> "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
> -Pogo Possum (1970)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:47:12 -0700
> From: Teena <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] editing reply messages?
> To:
> Message-ID: <02a401c6bf5c$b5b6f280$>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I do apologize, in advance, if my question sounds off the beaten
> path.
>
> But pray tell.....is there no way for folks to 'EDIT" the messages they
> are sending to this digest mode? I enquire, as I seem to be trawling
> through tons of repeat messages, simply to get to the new ones.
>
> This may seem petty to some, but time is valuable and I do so loathe
> reading the same message over, and over again.
>
> Just an idea. ('Tis Hard enough for me at this point, to grasp the
> migration process, and excess e-mails simply cause more confusion, as I
> look for the answer to the original e-mail.
>
> My question regarding the changeover. I understand that the "D" must be
> included, when subscribing to the digest mode, with our new mailman. Does
> the "D" also have to be included in the address when unsubscribing?
>
> Keeping it simple - Thanks so very much~ Teena
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/06
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:13:56 -0700
> From: "Lauren Boyd" <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] editing reply messages?
> To:
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Teena:
>
> The posting address for ALL mailman based lists is:
>
>
>
> where the name of the list is substituted for "listname".
>
> for this list it is
>
>
> and the old format of
>
> will still work.
>
> These would be the addreses to use, even if one is a digest subscriber.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lauren
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:20:10 -0700
> From: "Lauren Boyd" <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] editing reply messages? oops!
> To:
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> OOPS!
>
> Teena ---
>
> Read too quickly or am too tired!
>
> To unsub from any mailman list at Rootsweb, we no longer
> have to designate L or D, simply
>
>
> where the name of the list is substituted for "listname."
>
> For this list it would be:
>
>
> I posted a detailed message earlier that you will find here:
> <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LIST-UPDATE/2006-08/1155506624>;
>
> Also, take a look at the footer of every list that migrates... there
> is a message that
> is autogenerated that provides the unsubscribe directions for that list.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lauren
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:23:46 -0700
> From: Beth Johnston <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Marginally off-topic request
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Rod,
>
> Mine for my charter.net address just finally came through, too. From the
> headers it looks as though it was originally sent the 11th, resent the
> 12th, and resent again (successfully) the 13th.
>
> Password Central should be able to help you if you ask it for lists
> adminned using each individual email address you have.
>
> Beth
>
> ---- Rod Dav4is <> wrote:
>> I just got the announcement sent to an email address I seldom use.
>> Obviously, that address is subscribed to SOME list, but which one(s)?
>> The announce is no help, nor is password central. How can I find out?
>
> [snip]
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:27:00 -0700
> From: Beth Johnston <>
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] Marginally off-topic request
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> ---- Beth Johnston <> wrote:
>
>> Password Central should be able to help you if you ask it for lists
>> adminned using each individual email address you have.
>
> Obviously that should have been "for lists adminned or subscribed to using
> each individual email address you have." Chalk it up to being on
> vacation.<g>
>
> Beth
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:22:29 +0800 (WST)
> From: Bret Busby <>
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Character sets
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> In a previous message (that I can no longer find), someone, maybe
> Melissa, said that Rootsweb only distributes messages in plain text
> format.
>
> The email application that I use, PINE, in one of the latest two
> versions, introduced filtering on character sets, so I implemented
> character set filtering, which is a useful way to reduce spam and viral
> or other similar, malicious messages.
>
> However, in the folder to which I direct the messags that are filtered
> out, I have noticed many messages from Rootsweb lists, including this
> list and the ListOwners list (and, yes, I also think it would be a
> brilliant idea to rename that list to ListAdmins, or something similar,
> as we administer, but do not own the lists). The proportion of messages
> filtered out, that are genuine Rootsweb mailing list messages, is not
> great - less than 25% of all the genuine messages for those lists, I
> think, but, it is still a substantial number.
>
> The messages that are filtered out, appear to be ISO-8859-1, which is
> also used by many of the malicious messages senders.
>
> PINE has a specified character set format, that is US-ASCII, which
> (without knowing exactly how to word this) I assume, or, regard, to be
> pure plain text format.
>
> Is it posssible, with the Mailman software, or, some other software
> (PERL scripts, even), for Rootsweb to convert all messages distributed
> by Rootsweb, to US-ASCII format?
>
> I do not know what are the differences, between the ISO-8859-1 and the
> US-ASCII character sets, but I expect that there should not be any
> significant loss of visible characters in common usage, if it can be
> done, and it would be (I think) a good way of keeping to pure plain
> text format.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> --
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..............
>
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
> you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
> Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
> "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
> A Trilogy In Four Parts",
> written by Douglas Adams,
> published by Pan Books, 1992
>
> ....................................................
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:54:34 EDT
> From:
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] Only getting about half the messages from this
> list?
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I just checked the archives of this list for mail dated 8/13/06 because
> the
> messages I have been receiving included replies to messages I hadn't
> received. There are roughly twice as many posts in the list archives than
> what I
> received at my AOL address and normally AOL is very good about prompt
> delivery
> of list mail. The number of unreceived list messages appears to be
> increasing
> as the day went on.
>
> This makes me wonder whether anyone has checked with AOL to be sure the
> NEW
> IP addresses of the servers to which the lists will be migrated are
> white-listed with them? It takes AOL a couple weeks usually to
> white-list a new
> server/IP address and I'm definitely seeing symptoms that not all mail
> from the
> Mailman lists are getting through to me and possibly other AOLers.
>
> I didn't notice at first because just enough was getting through that I
> didn't suspect anything was wrong until checking the list archives.
>
> Once again, Mailman's way of handling bounces automatically means that I
> don't know if anyone can even check into this to see what is wrong and if
> my
> mail is bouncing unless or until I bounce off the list? I would
> appreciate if
> anyone CAN check into AOL bounces, that they would do so.
>
> Joan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:14:40 -0500
> From: "Morris Simon" <>
> Subject: [LIST-UPDATE] NO MAIL option
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <001401c6bf68$edaa41e0$>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Can anyone on the Update list tell us how to activate the new "NO MAIL"
> option?
>
> MAS
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:19:28 EDT
> From:
> Subject: Re: [LIST-UPDATE] NO MAIL option
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 8/14/2006 2:15:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> Can anyone on the Update list tell us how to activate the new "NO MAIL"
> option?
>
> MAS
>
>
>
>
> Now this message I received but have not received my own post about
> non-receipt of list mail. I'm getting about every other post.
>
> Anyway, about the NO MAIL option. When the time comes that users can
> access
> the user list info page to manage their own list subscriptions the No
> Mail
> option will be implemented. Until that time it isn't being used.
>
> Joan
>
>
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