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From: "Pam Manchester" <>
Subject: Re: [LEEMING] John Richard Leeming
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:53:10 -0400
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Thanks for getting back to me and appreciate all you research.

I agree with the 1881 census and also saw 1891 where it stated that John was
widowed on Ancestry, which is what I have been using.

But I know for fact that in 1884 he married Sarah Turner, which would be my
mother's grandmother. We have pictures of her in our home, so we know she
existed. They had 3 children, Ethel, Florence and John. It can be found on
ancestry. By the 1900 census they were living in MA.

I could not find where he married a Jane, although I am not very savvy with
this yet. Matter of fact I went on familysearch.org and could only find the
1881 census.

Of course, what I was really looking for was to find John's parents which I
had some information and now found more so all this has been helpful. But
now I can't find his father's father. Well, maybe some other day.

Thanks for all your help.

Kind regards,

Pam

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From: "Al Wiensczyk" <>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:18 PM
To: <>
Subject: Re: [LEEMING] John Richard Leeming

> Hello Pam
>
> To add to Tony's info the 1881 census which is free on
> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ has
> James Leeming - 43, Lavinia Leeming 46, Sarah E. 20, John 19, Mary A. 14,
> Susannah 12, Elizabeth 10, and Ada 5.
> I looked in the 1871 census and found the family but John wasn't with them
> at that time. He would have been 9 and may have been away in school or
> visiting other relatives, or boarding with someone.
>
> In 1891 census John is living at home with James and Lavinia and their
> daughters, Mary Ann, Susannah, Elizabeth and Ada Clayton. John is listed
> as
> a widower. It is noteworthy here that the place of birth for all the
> children has been changed from Clitheroe as it was in the 1881 census to
> Low
> Moor. John's occupation is listed as a cotton sizer.
>
>
> In 1901 John is married to Jane. Children James K. John, and Louis. This
> is
> a best guess but the place of birth Low Moor, the profession Cotton sizer,
> and the age all match. They are also still living in Clitheroe.
>
> In 1911 census, John is still married to Jane - married 19 years. Children
> James King, John, and Louis. Also note that looking at the image for the
> 1911 census it indicates the John and Jane had 4 children and that one
> died.
> Although that is all the information it gives and since another child
> doesn't show up on the 1901 census it could be assumed that the child was
> born and died in between censuses.
>
> So I don't know where Sarah Turner fits in. That's the only thing that
> doesn't seem to fit. Depends on whether you are more confident in the
> John's
> parents info or his wife info. Based on FreeBMD John married Jane King -
> June 1892 in Clitheroe. This fits as John's first son was names James King
> Leeming. James after his father and King after his wife's maiden name.
> There
> are two marriages in Clitheroe listed for a James, one in 1886 and one in
> 1889. Both are to Sarah's. The first is Sarah Isabella Elliott and the
> second is to Sarah Hitchon. There is a death for a Sarah Leeming - age 24
> in
> Clitheroe - December 1/4 - 1889. There is a Sarah Hitchon, aged 16 living
> in
> Grindelton in 1881 census. She was also a cotton weaver and the census
> place
> was Clitheroe so that might be the correct match. Again you would have to
> order the marriage and death certificates to know for sure.
>
> For James. Based on FreeBMD he married Lavine/Lavina Hine in the June
> quarter 1859 in Bury - Vol 8c page 411. You would need to order the
> marriage
> certificate for them to see who it lists as Jame's father. Based on the
> 1851
> census it 'could' be Ralph Leeming but the marriage cert would tell you
> that
> for sure.
>
> Hope that this helps.
>
> Cheers
>
> Al
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Leeming" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [LEEMING] John Richard Leeming
>
>
>> Hello Pam
>>
>> Well you have com up ok on the list and it is good to see you. I am Tony
>> Leeming, keeper of the list and am pleased to welcome you.
>>
>> I am not sure how much FH research you have done, but to point you
>> hopefully in the right direction, the standard sources include-
>> www.freebmd.org.uk for births, marriages and deaths back to 1837
>> Ancestry which you mention for the censuses where you should be able to
>> find James and get his approx date of birth and place. A search on the
>> 1861 census for Lavinia Leeming shows the couple in Clitheroe with James
>> age 22. So you could look at FreeBMD for a birth of James about 1838/9.
>> www.familysearch.org for pre- 1837 parish records.
>> www.lan-opc.org.uk for some Lancashire parish registers.
>>
>> I will be interested to hear how you get on.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tony Leeming
>> Pickering
>> North Yorkshire
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Pam Manchester
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:33 PM
>> Subject: [LEEMING] John Richard Leeming
>>
>>
>> My first try at this so any feedback on how to do this will be helpful.
>>
>> I had emailed Jane Hughes website and she gave me this information:
>>
>> James Leeming marries Lavinia Hine in Bury Lancs 11 Apr 1859 and some
>> John is born 25 Dec 1860 & baptised, Clitheroe 19 Jan 1862.
>>
>> The only other info I have is that it is John Richard died 1940 and had
>> married Sarah Turner 1863-1945. This is from research on Ancestry.com.
>>
>> If anyone can fill in any gaps or goes further back it would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Pam
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