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From: patricia meyers <>
Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] US Naturalization protocol
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:01:20 -0800 (PST)


"NOW the question is, is there another form which is in files somewhere other
> that than the ones filed in the Archive record for a particular year.
> Something like a "working" copy which this final form of intent and the next
> two are copied???"

Mary Ellen,
In response to your question, the document that I am entering the data from is the original Declaration. It's signed by the immigrant on a specific date. I'm not aware of any other earlier documents.

Patti


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From: Catherine Sherry <>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 11:41:01 AM
Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] US Naturalization protocol

Thanks for this great information!


On 3/5/08 12:11 PM, "Mary Ellen Chambers" <> wrote:

> Question??? Having worked as a volunteer in the Cuyahoga County Archives in
> Cleveland OH and gathered numerous certificates (all 3 in most cases), I have
> never found a physical description or other such personal info on those from
> about 1860 to approx. 1900. They have date of arrival, from where (usually
> just Ireland or Germany but no townland, village, etc), ruler (Victoria or
> whomever). But no actual port of departure or arrival or age are documented.
> The only exception was my g grandfather who it seems was about 16 and was in
> juvenile records but still no documented age. (We just figured, having his
> baptismal certificate from Mayo for 1846. This follows through to the final
> citizenship papers.
> Now, a few we got from NARA in MA are a bit more detailed but still no
> physical description.
> NOW the question is, is there another form which is in files somewhere other
> that than the ones filed in the Archive record for a particular year.
> Something like a "working" copy which this final form of intent and the next
> two are copied???
>
> Mary Ellen Chambers
> patricia meyers <> wrote:
> Just to add a bit to Margaret's information (and thank you, Maureen, for
> posting it), I am doing data entry for the Declarations of Intent for the
> Circuit Court of Cook County (1907-1929).
>
> What is included on the document is:
> name of the petitioner (according to what the clerk could understand),
> birth date (I suspect that some people made up their birth dates),
> description in height and weight, color of hair and eyes, and noticeable
> deformities/scars,
> the port of entry,
> date of entry,
> the name of the ship or some came by railroad through Canada (some don't
> remember the ship's name), occupation,
> birthplace (often unrecognizable due to the clerk's misunderstanding of the
> birthplace information),
> if married,
> wife's name (have yet to see a maiden name) and where she was born (usually
> just the country is given!)
> and if they are living together
> plus current address is noted.
>
> Oftentimes the signature of the petitioner doesn't resemble what the clerk has
> deciphered as the petitoner's name, or else it's just an "X." A lot depends on
> how well the petitioner understands and speaks English.
>
> People whose alphabet differs from our 26 letters would sign their names
> according to the way they knew from their schooling complete with all sorts of
> diacritical marks (Polish and old German script). So a lot depended on how the
> clerk understood the spoken name.
>
> The data is entered into the computer according to what the clerk has written,
> but the person doing the data entry can also flag the spelling of the surname
> if it looks significantly different from the person's signature. Also there is
> sometimes a problem deciphering the handwriting of the clerk with all its
> flourishes and fancy initials!
>
> Patti
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ""
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 9:43:12 AM
> Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] US Naturalization protocol
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw on this information on another geneo list, and thought the info was
> great. I learned a bit from it. Margaret has given me permission to post the
> info she provided - to this list. I hope you find it as informative as I did.
>
> Maureen N
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------
> I just posted some information about the naturalization process to
> another list I belong to. It might have some of the information you want. The
> Declaration of Intent had to be filed at least 2 years before the Petition
> for Naturalization was filed. The Petition for Naturalization did not have to
> be filed in the same county where the Declaration of Intent was filed. A
> residency of 1 year in the state and 5 years in the U.S. were required before
> citizenship was granted. The whole process took about 6-7 years depending on
> when the Declaration of Intent was filed. There were variations due to
> changes in the law over the years.
>
> I learned something fascinating when I looked for my Great Aunt's naturaliza
> tion papers. Most women before 1922 did not bother becoming citizens on
> their own since they could not vote. Most of the women who became citizens
> before 1922 did so through their father or husband or possibly their brother.
> What is more amazing is that if the woman was born in the U.S. her parents,
> grandparents an even if all of her ancestors came over on the Mayflower she
> lost
> her American citizenship if she married an immigrant ! ! ! ! Once the
> immigrant was naturalized she would then become a citizen again through her
> husband's naturalization process.
>
> When searching for your ancestor's naturalization papers look in the county
> court where the new citizen was naturalized Every record is different,
> some records do not have that much information especially the older records
> while other records might have a lot of information. but it probably won't
> mention the father's name, but will mention the birthplace of the applicant.
> When
> you order the records order three documents mentioned below. You will want
> to request the DECLARATION of INTENT which should include the following
> information:
>
> Shows county and court where declaration is filed
> Port of Entry
> Date of Entry
> Name of Ship
> Marital Status
> Personal Description
>
> The older applications had the least amount of information that is why it is
> important to request the all of the following documents:
>
> DECLARATION OF INTENT(First Papers)
> PETITION FOR NATURALIZATION (Second Papers)
> NATURALIZATION PAPERS (Naturalization Certificate)
>
> Petitions for Naturalization should contain the following:
> Name
> Current residence
> Date of Intention
> Occupation
> Place of birth
> Date of birth or age
> Nationality
> Country of Emigration
> Date of Emigration
> Last foreign residence
> Length of residence in the United States
> Port of entry and date of entry
> Name of ship
> Marital status
> Name, age, place of birth of spouse; address of spouse
> Name, age, and place of birth of children
> Personal description
>
>
>
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