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From: Nan Brennan <>
Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish Bridgade - and - 89th IL"RailroadRegiment"
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:03:23 -0600
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Hah! I just looked up one of my emigrant Irish ancestor's records
whom we know was killed at Shiloh,
he is listed as a deserter. Well, he didn't make muster!

On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:05 PM, wrote:

> Nan, Couldn't agree more.? I always think of red tape in our time
> frame, but I guess it has been around
> way longer.? "left" sure beats "deserted" !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nan Brennan <>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 4:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish Bridgade - and - 89th IL
> "RailroadRegiment"
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> What a lousy way to treat them.
> Couldn't they just have said left prior to muster or something.
>
> Nan
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2008, at 1:38 PM, wrote:
>
>> Just for the purpose of general information, I learned from a
>> gentleman/scholar at the Library of Congress, that many people are
>> disappointed in finding "deserter" on the mustering out rolls.? He
>> said that in almost all cases, it was simply that the men/boys
>> didn't want to wait around for the red tape in getting the paper
>> work finalized and simply wanted to get home to home and hearth.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> p.s.? I have a K/Cavanagh who went off to the Civil War in
>> Illinois, and was never heard from again.
>> He was brother of my gg-grandfather, Patrick Cavangh (any
>> spelling).? Unfortunately, I don't have his first name.? I also
>> have never found any information about the "missings"..........just
>> pension rolls or mustering out info, which don't apply.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sharon Kavanagh <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 2:11 pm
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish Bridgade - and - 89th IL
>> "RailroadRegiment"
>>
>>
>>
>> Nan - just curious - did you find Dan's - Frank Curran in the IL 23
>> or IL 89
>> in the NPS S&S System?
>>
>> Also, we Kavanaghs, of course, are not able to be certain that the
>> James
>> Kavanagh in the 23 IL is "ours," however NARA Civil War Pension
>> records
>> exist for him and his widow having received Civil War Pension until
>> 1923.
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nan Brennan" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish Bridgade - and - 89th IL
>> "RailroadRegiment"
>>
>>
>>> Thanks much for that info, Sharon.
>>> I did find the NPS site and the entry for Dan's, Frank Curran.
>>> There's no detail yet, but gives a film number.
>>> Apparently they will add those records later.
>>> I'm not a Civil War researcher at all, but I think there are NARA
>>> records on the CW (online).
>>>
>>> Nan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Sharon Kavanagh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Dan, Nan and other listers,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you have done a thorough search of Civil War
>>>> Rosters, but
>>>> when I read about your 23 IL Company B ancestor, I had to tell you
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> We had been informed (by Ill.State Archives) that James Kavanagh
>>>> served in
>>>> the 89th IL Infantry and they sent a copy of his mustering out
>>>> papers.
>>>> However, we never could find him in the 89 IL rosters.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a Civil War scholar. However, in doing some reading I
>>>> discovered
>>>> that 89 IL and 23 IL have a complicated (couple of?) consolidation
>>>> (s) and
>>>> share the same rosters for several Companies.
>>>>
>>>> We found James Kavanagh in the National Park Service Civil War
>>>> Soldiers &
>>>> Sailors System in the 23 IL "Irish" Infantry after having searched
>>>> rosters
>>>> unsuccessfully for him in the 89 IL "Railroad" Infantry.
>>>>
>>>> You can Google the NPS website, but I will also send it to you
>>>> offlist since
>>>> Rootsweb does not allow us to send URLs. Also I will forward a
>>>> link to a
>>>> Rootsweb ILCivil War history resource.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck, Dan.
>>>> Sharon Kavanagh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "dan hogan" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish Bridgade
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have an ancestor who was supposedly in the Chicago
>>>>> Irish Brigade. He was one Frank Curran, 23 IL
>>>>> Infantry, Company B. He was killed in action at the
>>>>> Battle of Lexington, MO also called the Battle of the
>>>>> Hemp Bales. Nan has previously helped me with rosters
>>>>> but he does not appear there, though I have his
>>>>> enlistment record. Does a Frank Curran appear in any
>>>>> of these news articles?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Hogan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Nan Brennan <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's terrific that you were able to obtain those
>>>>>> citations from John.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm assuming they may not have included the Chicago
>>>>>> Tribune?
>>>>>> There are 100s of articles in the Chicago Tribune on
>>>>>> related subjects.
>>>>>> 300 articles on the Irish Brigade just in the years
>>>>>> 1861 and 1862.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's an example of some from a later
>>>>>> period---during the Boer War
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago Tribune, Aug 24, 1902 page 16
>>>>>> Picnic For Ambulance Corps
>>>>>> Irish-Americans to have an outing at Oswald's Grove
>>>>>> to Raise Money
>>>>>> For Chicagoans in Africa. (very long article)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The corp in this article is called the
>>>>>> "Irish-American-Boer Ambulance
>>>>>> Association of Chicago"
>>>>>> Capt John J Quinn was president. Some of the names
>>>>>> mentioned (of
>>>>>> soldiers waiting to be
>>>>>> brought home from Johannesburg): James Jeffries,
>>>>>> Michael Halley,
>>>>>> Jerry O'Leary,
>>>>>> Peter O'Hara, George Wilson, Earnest Criss, Louis
>>>>>> Rupprecht, Joseph
>>>>>> Wade, James French,
>>>>>> Joseph Kennedy, John McGlew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago Tribune Feb 11, 1900 page 13
>>>>>> IRISH CORPS OFF TODAY
>>>>>> HOSPITAL FORCE FOR BOER ARMY TO START AT 10AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago Tribune Nov 17, 1900 page 1 (continues on
>>>>>> several pages)
>>>>>> IRISH VALOR IN TRANSVAAL WAR
>>>>>> CHicago Ambulance Corp Tell of Their Five Months'
>>>>>> Campaign in Africa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very long article about their return to New York.
>>>>>> Many stories of
>>>>>> numerous battles, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some Chicago members listed in this article:
>>>>>> John Duff, Daniel McHugh, John Costello, Patrick
>>>>>> Carroll (341 W
>>>>>> Adams), John Quinn (124 E Ohio), James Coyne,
>>>>>> (Daniel McHugh was captured), John Walsh (317
>>>>>> Jackson) Dr AF Conroy
>>>>>> (captured), Dr J.R. McNamara, Dr Jeremiah Slattery,
>>>>>> Dr H.H. McAuley, Dr Ross, T. Long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Casualties of the Corp mentioned: Edward Eagan of
>>>>>> Chicago, killed at
>>>>>> Thaba 'nchu
>>>>>> MICHAEL O'HARA of Holyoke Mass, killed at
>>>>>> Watervalonder; John J
>>>>>> Reilly of Chicago, wounded
>>>>>> at Thaba'Nchu and sent to St Helena. Prisoners:
>>>>>> Michael Hearn and
>>>>>> John Dougherty of Holyoke
>>>>>> Mass and Joseph Hill of Chicago....all sent to
>>>>>> Ceylon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others from Chicago: Thomas Naughton, Richard
>>>>>> Cahill, Fred Verslius,
>>>>>> Rudolph Linsehoter
>>>>>> Daniel m. Daly, Captain Patrick O'Connor, Hubert
>>>>>> O'Hara (863 Girard
>>>>>> St), William Hurley (1148 47thPL)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you already read alot of the Tribune stories?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Bill King wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was very interested in the Clan na Gael
>>>>>> "ambulance corps" from
>>>>>>> Chicago that went to the Boer War. My great uncle
>>>>>> was in the
>>>>>>> "ambulance corps". John has since sent me
>>>>>> citations of Chicago
>>>>>>> newspapers articles that report on the organizing
>>>>>> and the actions
>>>>>>> of the "ambulance corps". This is a great help to
>>>>>> me as I work on
>>>>>>> my family history. Bill King
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Nan Brennan <>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Jan 24, 2008 10:56 PM
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Q & A More feedback
>>>>>> on John Corrigan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know many of you engaged directly with John and
>>>>>> some had specific
>>>>>>>> questions for him. Could you share this onlist,
>>>>>> for all of us, but
>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>> for those who were unable to attend?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Annette, did you get the information you were
>>>>>> interested in on
>>>>>>>> priests?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I had to leave the table twice. So I
>>>>>> missed some things, too.
>>>>>>>> Did anyone ask John about his website, his
>>>>>> database-----the how
>>>>>>>> and when
>>>>>>>> of it's availability?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing your information with all of
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nan
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Hogan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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