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From: "Carmen DiGiacomo" <>
Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] James and Deborah Obrien (Julia Reardon)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:08:44 -0400
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Nan, is there any more info on the boarder Julia Reardon? I am still on the
lookout for my elusive Thomas Reardon from Tipperary. Wife's name unknown
and at least two daughters, names unknown.

Carmen-Pittsburgh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nan Brennan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] James and Deborah Obrien


> Hi Mike,
>
> Yes, it was Ancestry image 28 of 44 (a double page image) and
> original census sheet number 14 B.
> I think Mayme Byrd is Mary. Mayme must have been her nickname. She's
> 23 in this 1910 census.
>
> Ten years earlier In the 1900 census, they had Katie age 15, Mary age
> 14, Andrew age 13, and Deborah age 10
> Two boarders: Mary and Julia Reardon. Address was 5310 Aberdeen in
> 1900.
> So the ages on Mary and Mayme are pretty nearly exact. I'm just
> about certain it's the same person.
>
> Are you still looking for where James' parents were from?
> Did James obit (which I think you said you had) give his parents
> names? I actually did look for his obit and couldn't find it.
> I didn't see James or Deborah in the Illinois death index.....did you
> find them?
> Did they only have the one son, Andrew? So, are you from that line?
>
> Nan
>
> What was Deborah's maiden name?
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Mike Obrien wrote:
>
>> Nan, the info you got on James and Deborah O'Brien on Carpenter
>> street is definitely my family. Some really good info I didn't
>> know. Only strange thing is Mayme Byrd. I am sure there was a
>> daughter Mary in the family, I even have her obit from the Tribune.
>> But she doesn't show in the census. I'm wondering if Mayme was just
>> a nickname or something the family called Mary. Everything else
>> fits and makes sense. Thanks.
>>
>> My Andrew O'Brien is buried at Holy Sepluchre so this one
>> wouldn't be mine. The James and Anna Moore I don't recognize any of
>> it so probably not related.
>>
>> I'm wondering if we are looking at the same documents. I found on
>> page 28 of 44 in Chicago Ward 29 of the 1910 census using
>> Ancestry.com, that my O'Brien family and John and Annie Moore were
>> listed on the same page. But I couldn't make out the addresses.
>> Must have been neighbors at the time. Thanks again, Mike.
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Canal Police (Nan Brennan)
>> 2. Domain Name Change (Anthony OBrien)
>> 3. James O'Brien native Tipperary obit Visitation Parish
>> (Nan Brennan)
>> 4. Re: Visitation (Nan Brennan)
>> 5. Re: Visitation (Nan Brennan)
>> 6. Re: Esther Moore 1920 (Nan Brennan)
>> 7. Lawlers for Patti Meyers ()
>> 8. Re: Buckagh Mayo (Nan Brennan)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:24:05 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Canal Police
>> To:
>> Message-ID: <>
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>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> Nancy Thornton at Canal Heritage might be able to help:
>>
>>
>> Have you checked with Lemont and Lockport libraries and historical
>> societies?
>>
>> Will County Historical Society http://www.canalcor.org/WillCounty.html
>> Lemont Historical Society http://www.township.com/lemont/historical/
>> Lockport Area Genealogical & Historical Society, % Des Plaines Valley
>> Public Library, 121 E. 8th St., Lockport, IL 60441
>> http://www.dpvlib.org/laghs/laghshome.htm
>>
>> Nan
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2007, at 1:53 AM, kathy Wood wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for information on Canal police Kathy
>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Anthony OBrien
>> Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Domain Name Change
>> To: , ,
>> , ,
>> ,
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii
>>
>> Hello All Listers,
>>
>> Please be advised that my website www.obrienfamilyhistory.net has
>> now been changed to www.obrienfamilyhistory.ca. All the same
>> material from the old site is on the new site with a few
>> modifications. The only page not yet up and running is my link to
>> "Photographs" in the main nav bar on the left. I made the change
>> because I found a better program in which to make my webpages but
>> it meant that I had to switch webhosts.
>>
>> I apologize for the inconvenience, however, I'm absolutely sure you
>> will find the new site put together better.
>>
>> Many Rgds,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:04:40 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] James O'Brien native Tipperary obit
>> Visitation Parish
>> To:
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Chicago Tribune
>> Feb 26, 1954
>>
>> James O'Brien, 5634 S Union Avenue
>> beloved husband of the late Catherine Mullarkey O'Brien,
>> fond father of Mrs J. C. (Myrtle) Magee of Ingleside Ill.
>> dear grandfather of Robin, Brian, Sheila, Mary Denise and Kathleen
>> Leita Magee
>> Funeral Saturday 9am from funeral home 5438 S Halsted street
>> to Visitation church, Interment Holy Sepulchre
>> NATIVE DERRYCASTLE, CO TIPPERARY, IRELAND.
>> Boulevard 8-0662
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps someone!
>>
>> Nan
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:41:38 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Visitation
>> To:
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is this family below yours?
>> Do you have a death cert on James or Deborah?
>>
>> There was a James and Deborah O'Brien and family living at 5322
>> Carpenter St in the 1910 census.
>> James was 50, born Ireland, working in the packing house, and
>> emigrated 1880. (about age 20)
>> Deborah was 49, born Ireland, also emigrated 1880.
>> They were married 28 yrs in 1910, so they were married about 1882.
>> All of the children were born in Chicago.
>> Living with them in 1910:
>> widowed Daughter Mayme Byrd, age 23, and her son Walter, age 4.
>> Mayme was a dressmaker.
>> Dau Catherine, age 23
>> Son Andrew, age 22
>> Dau Deborah, age 20
>> William Noonan, a boarder
>> Michael Burke, a boarder.
>>
>> James must have died after Apr 23, 1910 (date of 1910 census) and
>> before Jan 7, 1920, the date census taker was at their home on
>> Lincoln St.
>>
>> In the 1920 census, Deborah (59)is widowed and living with her
>> daughter Deborah (29)who married a George Frizie (29).
>> SIL Catherine OBrien, age 34, is also living with them
>> address was 5610 Lincoln St, 29th Wd, Dist 1797
>> Deborah and George had 2 children, Eleanor (5) and George (4).
>> Deborah OBrien received her citizenship papers in 1889.
>>
>> There's an Andrew O'Brien buried at Calvary Cemtery. Because your
>> James' first born son was Andrew, I was wondering if James' father
>> might be Andrew. That Andrew buried at Calvary was born @ 1829 in Co
>> Tipperary and died in Chicago in 1889.
>> But there is a James buried there, probably a son, who died in 1935.
>> If your James died before 1920, then this Andrew would probably not
>> be his father.
>>
>> Do you have some dates on Patrick and Esther Moore? Were they in
>> Visitation parish?
>> Nan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Mike Obrien wrote:
>>
>>> I am originally from Visitation. Went 1st thru 4th grade. My family
>>> is from 55th and Racine. I've been up in Michigan since the early
>>> sixties. The rest of my family still inhabits the general south
>>> side of Chicago. I enjoy seeing comments and names mentioned from
>>> Vis although, not sure records go back to when I would need them.
>>> I'm working on finding gr-gr-grandparents which would be the
>>> parents of James and Deborah O'Brien (born 1860,1861) that is all
>>> I know about them. Also looking for info on grandmother's side for
>>> Patrick and Esther Moore. Only info I have for them is from death
>>> certificate of John Moore (gr-grandfather) in Cook County. I read
>>> all the IRISH-IN-CHICAGO emails as you never know what you will
>>> come across.
>>>
>>> Mike O'Brien
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:45:01 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Visitation
>> To:
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Mike, does the name John Hunt mean anything to you?
>>
>> I saw this obit in Chicago Irish Families of an Anna MOORE married to
>> a James Hunt.
>> They were living a few doors down and across the street from where
>> James and Deborah Obrien were living in 1910.
>>
>> Hunt, John 5209 Carpenter st., husband of Anna (nee Moore), father of
>> James, Thomas, and Mrs. Annie Gabel, also of the late Catherine and
>> Mary Hunt; native of Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo. Funeral from Visitation
>> Church thence to Mt. Olivet cemetery. --September 4, 1905 (1) The
>> Chicago Daily News , 1878-1902, funeral notices
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Mike Obrien wrote:
>>
>>> I am originally from Visitation. Went 1st thru 4th grade. My family
>>> is from 55th and Racine. I've been up in Michigan since the early
>>> sixties. The rest of my family still inhabits the general south
>>> side of Chicago. I enjoy seeing comments and names mentioned from
>>> Vis although, not sure records go back to when I would need them.
>>> I'm working on finding gr-gr-grandparents which would be the
>>> parents of James and Deborah O'Brien (born 1860,1861) that is all
>>> I know about them. Also looking for info on grandmother's side for
>>> Patrick and Esther Moore. Only info I have for them is from death
>>> certificate of John Moore (gr-grandfather) in Cook County. I read
>>> all the IRISH-IN-CHICAGO emails as you never know what you will
>>> come across.
>>>
>>> Mike O'Brien
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:22:56 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Esther Moore 1920
>> To:
>> Cc: Mike Obrien
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> There was an Esther Moore, widowed age 65, born Ireland @ 1855 in the
>> 1920 census.
>> Census was taken on Jan 6, 1920.
>>
>> address 849 Cornelia (@3500 N @ Halsted) Ward 23, Dist 1281
>> Esther and her daughters immigrated in 1894.
>> 2 daughters living with her in 1920: Olivia age 28, employed as a
>> stenographer and Emily age 27, a hotel manicurist.
>> Both daus are single. Their father was born in Ireland.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Mike Obrien wrote:
>>
>>> I am originally from Visitation. Went 1st thru 4th grade. My family
>>> is from 55th and Racine. I've been up in Michigan since the early
>>> sixties. The rest of my family still inhabits the general south
>>> side of Chicago. I enjoy seeing comments and names mentioned from
>>> Vis although, not sure records go back to when I would need them.
>>> I'm working on finding gr-gr-grandparents which would be the
>>> parents of James and Deborah O'Brien (born 1860,1861) that is all
>>> I know about them. Also looking for info on grandmother's side for
>>> Patrick and Esther Moore. Only info I have for them is from death
>>> certificate of John Moore (gr-grandfather) in Cook County. I read
>>> all the IRISH-IN-CHICAGO emails as you never know what you will
>>> come across.
>>>
>>> Mike O'Brien
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:08:51 EDT
>> From:
>> Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Lawlers for Patti Meyers
>> To:
>> Cc:
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>
>> Patti wrote: "And my Uncle Joe LAWLER went to Visitation grammar
>> school in
>> the 1920s....My grandfather was part owner of the Schiele-Lawler
>> Coal Co
>> which became the James Coal Company about 59th & Halsted.
>> We're also tracking Lawlers in Chicago and wondered if there might
>> be a
>> connection. They moved to Chicago from Rochester, NY, according to
>> following
>> taken from _Chicago Irish Families, 1875-1925_
>> (http://www.ancestry.com/search/srrd.asp?rd=db&dbid=3524&ti=0&c=16) :
>> "Lawler, Joseph, wife and family, natives of Dublin, Ireland, came
>> to Chicago
>> via Rochester and Buffalo in 1854, and lived for a short time at
>> Catherine
>> and Loomis sts. later moving to Taylor st. in the Holy Family
>> parish. Lawler
>> died on March 25, 1879, his wife died Nov. 19, 1894. Their son,
>> Frank Lawler
>> was an alderman for several terms, and later a U.S. congressman for
>> two
>> terms until his death on Jan. 18, 1896. Other sons were: James,
>> Joseph, John,
>> Michael, and Thomas, daughters were: Teresa and Mary who married
>> John F. Scanlan
>> in 1862 _(27)_ (javascript:APop(p3619,200,200);) Note: Tombstone in
>> Calvary
>> cemetery lists the following: Joseph Lawler native of Co. Dublin
>> died March
>> 23, 1880, aged 60 yrs., 5 mos; James Lawler died Jan. 24, 187?,
>> aged 30 (?)
>> years; John Lawler (unreadable); Section N _(3)_
>> (javascript:APop(p3620,200,200);)
>> Footnote 3: Calvary cemetery tombstone inscriptions"
>> Note re article above -- Teresa, not Mary, married John F. Scanlan
>> Also have the following obits re some of this family and
>> considerable other
>> information we'd be happy to share with Patti or anyone else who
>> might be
>> related to these Lawlers.
>> Beth Callanan, Wash, DC
>> 1917-11-21
>> Chicago Tribune (IL)
>> LAWLER
>> Edition: Chicago Tribune
>> Frank Lawler, beloved husband of Bonnie, nee Lanham, son of the
>> late Frank
>> and Elizabeth Lawler, brother of Mrs. A. J. Reilly, Mrs. J. Lowery,
>> Loretta,
>> and the late James Lawler. Funeral Friday at 9:30 from late
>> residence, 1619 E.
>> 55thst., to St. Thomas' church, for high mass. Burial at Calvary;
>> motors.
>> For seats call Kedzie 100.
>> Copyright 1917, Chicago Tribune. For permission to reprint, contact
>> Chicago
>> Tribune.
>> Record Number: 19171121dn009
>> 1917-11-21
>> Chicago Tribune (IL)
>> FRANK LAWLER DEAD.
>> Edition: Chicago Tribune
>> Frank Lawler of 1619 East Fifty fifth street died Monday in the
>> Illinois
>> Central hospital from pneumonia, which developed following an
>> operator for
>> stomach trouble. Mr. Lawler was the son of the late Congressman
>> Frank Lawler. He
>> is survived by his widow.
>> Copyright 1917, Chicago Tribune.[br]For permission to reprint, contact
>> Chicago Tribune.
>> Record Number: 19171121ob002
>> Mother of James below was Mary McQuaid (daughter of Mary Scanlan
>> and David
>> McQuaid and niece of Edward, Michael and John F. Scanlan) -- Mary
>> McQuaid
>> married Frank Lawler, brother of her aunt, Teresa Lawler (Mrs. John
>> F.) Scanlan.
>> Frank Lawler was widower of Elizabeth Lawler by whom he had older
>> children.
>> 1916-06-12
>> Chicago Tribune (IL)
>> LAWLER
>> Edition: Chicago Tribune
>> James J. Lawler, beloved husband of Minnie [nee Farrell], son of
>> Mary and
>> the late Frank Lawler. Funeral Tuesday, 9:30, from late residence,
>> 120 E.
>> 44th-st., to St. Elizabeth's church. High mass at 10 a.m. Autos to
>> Calvary.
>> Copyright 1916, Chicago Tribune. For permission to reprint, contact
>> Chicago
>> Tribune.
>> Record Number: 19160612dn011
>> 1916-06-12
>> Chicago Tribune (IL)
>> JAMES J. LAWLER
>> Edition: Chicago Tribune
>> JAMES J. LAWLER died suddenly Saturday night as he was entering his
>> residence at 120 East Forty-fourth street. He was born in Chicago
>> forty-two years ago
>> and had lived here all his life. He had been for the last two years
>> a deputy
>> collector in the government employ. He is survived by his widow,
>> Mrs. Minnie
>> Farrell Lawler. He was the son of the late congressman and
>> alderman, Frank
>> Lawler.
>> Copyright 1916, Chicago Tribune.[br]For permission to reprint, contact
>> Chicago Tribune.
>> Record Number:
>> Thomas below was brother of Teresa Lawler Scanlan, wife of John F.
>> Scanlan
>> 1914-03-30
>> Chicago Tribune (IL)
>> LAWLER
>> Edition: Chicago Tribune
>> Thomas Lawler, son of the late Joseph and Catherine Lawler, brother
>> of Mrs.
>> J. F. Scanlan, Joseph, and the late Frank and Michael Lawler.
>> Funeral Tuesday
>> from the residences of his sister, 4333 Indiana-av., to St.
>> Elizabeth's
>> church, 9:30. Autos to Calvary.
>> Copyright 1914, Chicago Tribune.[br]For permission to reprint, contact
>> Chicago Tribune.
>> Record Number: 19140330ob018
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:51:38 -0500
>> From: Nan Brennan
>> Subject: Re: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Buckagh Mayo
>> To:
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> Have you searched Rootsweb for Buckagh, Murray, Chambers, Brice.
>>
>> There are other researchers with info on this place and these names
>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search
>>
>> Nan
>> On Apr 25, 2007, at 6:09 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Good Evening Nan,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the "welcome note" After reading everyone's e-mails,
>>> it seems
>>> to me that the majority are from the South side of Chicago - no
>>> surprise
>>> since I think South Side Irish is a large community. In fact my
>>> cousin, Kathy
>>> McGann married and defected from the North Side and there may be
>>> other
>>> relatives as well.
>>>
>>> I grew up on the Northwest side - attended St. Edward's, which in at
>>> Sunnyside and Kostner. I graduated in 1952. I then went to
>>> Madonna High School at
>>> Pulaski & Belmont (which in not open any more) and graduated from
>>> there in
>>> 1956. My husband Bill and I have lived in Lisle (about 23 miles
>>> West) for 45
>>> years. We have 5 grown children and 14 grandchildren - the oldest
>>> are 10 and
>>> the youngest are triplets nearly 2 so we are busy.
>>>
>>> My grandparents were from County Mayo - Newport - Buckagh.
>>> She was Mary Ann Murray, born in 1886 and came to the US in 1906 -
>>> lived in
>>> Cleveland for a while before coming to Chicago.
>>>
>>> My grandfather was also from Buckagh, Newport, County Mayo. He
>>> was Patrick
>>> Brice. In fact he lived next door to my grandmother's family. He
>>> was born in
>>> 1888 and came to the US in 1909. He also went to Cleveland but
>>> again don't
>>> know when he moved here. They were married in 1914 at St.
>>> Veronica's Church
>>> on the Northwest side.
>>>
>>> She was the 2nd of 13 children - 6 of her sisters joined here
>>> together with
>>> her youngest brother.
>>> My grandfather was the oldest of 9 - I think only 2 of his brothers
>>> came to
>>> the US and possibly 1 sister.
>>> However, his mother was a Chambers, one of 13 children, so I recently
>>> discovered there are many, many relatives along with several of his
>>> family marrying
>>> Mulchrones, of which there are "hundreds"
>>>
>>> My husband & I went to Ireland last October in hopes of finding
>>> information
>>> but due to poor planning and a horrendous rain storm (which I've
>>> learned is
>>> very common) we were unsuccessful. I have found several very nice
>>> e-mail
>>> buddies that have provided a lot of information and for that I am
>>> most grateful.
>>>
>>> I will look forward to hearing from everyone and hope there is some
>>> "connection"
>>> You sound like a great bunch.
>>>
>>> Take care. Nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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