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From: "Lura" <>
Subject: Re: [IRISH-DNA] Cooper - Ydna
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:06:17 -0400
Gary and Bob have made some good observations regarding finding
the correct family. Here is another idea for the name Cooper,
and a light-hearted idea about how some names came to be used.
Two quotations from Wikipedia....
"Traditionally, a cooper is someone who makes wooden staved
vessels of a conical form, of greater length than breadth, bound
together with hoops and possessing flat ends or heads."....
"Much like the profession of smithing has produced the popular
English surname Smith and the German name Schmidt, the trade of
cooperage has also given the English name Cooper..."
Now on a lighter note.... People who came to the colonies very
early from a different language were at the mercy of the spelling
ability of the ship captain or the person on the dock as
immigrants got off the sail boat. Enjoy the following story.
Lura Carroll Southard
Walking through San Francisco's Chinatown, a tourist is
fascinated with all the Chinese restaurants, shops, signs and
banners. He turns a corner and sees a building with the sign,
"Moishe Plotnik's Chinese Laundry."
"Moishe Plotnik?" he muses. "How the heck does that fit in
So he walks into the shop and sees an old Chinese gentleman
behind the counter.
The tourist asks, "How did this place get a name like "Moishe
Plotnik's Chinese Laundry?"
The old man answers, "Is name of owner."
The tourist asks, "Well, who and where is the owner?"
"Me, is right here," replies the old man.
"You? How did you ever get a name like Moishe Plotnik?"
"Is simple," says the old man. "Many, many year ago when come to
this country, was stand in line at Documentation Center. Man in
front is Jewish gentleman from Poland.
Lady look at him and say, 'What your name?'
He say, 'Moishe Plotnik.'
Then she look at me and go, 'What your name?'
I say, 'Sem Ting.' "
----- Original Message -----
From: "A.Williams" <>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 1:01 AM
Subject: [IRISH-DNA] Cooper - Ydna
|I hope I am posting this in the correct place.
| Our family surname is Cooper and we've traced it back to
Cambridge, New York to 1821.
| We had assumed that since Cooper is typically English or
Scottish name that the family came from Britain. There is now
some suggestion that our Coopers may have actually emigrated from
Ireland...they may have been Ulster Scots.
| Many Irish Methodists came to that area of New York and
settled. "Cooper" is among those names and many of our current
day Coopers in New York are Methodists and "have always been
Methodists" as I was told.
| Before my father passed away in January we did have a test kit
done via Family Tree DNA.
| We had the 37 Y-marker and the Mtdna tests done. We don't
appear to find matches in the Cooper Surname project we signed up
| It seems that the Ymarkers do match up closely for the Irish
| My fathers Ysearch number is 3EJX5. Results are: R1b1c and
the Mtdna haplogroup is H
| Is that enough information for someone to review? And are
those results sufficient to determine if from Ireland, what part?
I see by the posts that there are some markers for regions of
Ireland. Would I need to order more in-depth testing?
| Thanks for any help and let me know if I've posted this in the