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From: "Shirley Aleguas" <>
Subject: RE: [ILMAGA] Re: Rev. R. Clark in 1868, ? church
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:04:20 -0500
In-Reply-To: <429A55B0.50602@charter.net>


There was and is a Catholic Church in Jacksonville. Our Saviour's Catholic
Church.


-----Original Message-----
From: Drucilla Meany-Herbert [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:52 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [ILMAGA] Re: Rev. R. Clark in 1868, ? church

No problem on my end...Have observed interesting things while doing my
genealogy of the Meany and Lonergan families - seems a bunch came over
then a bunch more of the same family. Haven't been able to find any
chaurch records..altho I know a Catholic Church was in Jacksonville,
cause a family legend..
Drucilla Meany-Herbert

wrote:

>Yes, I overspoke, and I apologize. There were Catholic churches. There
were Catholic explorers. By the time Chicago started growing, which was
later than we tend to think, there were Catholics there. And of course the
Catholics and the Episcopalians both kept complete records of baptisms so
that if you can find those records you can get early birth records long
before the state kept them. But proportionally to other faiths, there
weren't as many of them on the frontier, which is what Illinois was even in
the 1850s. This is an overgeneralization, but Catholics then tended to be
urban, and IL wasn't urban yet. One church in one town typically was
started by one family which attracted others and doesn't prove a trend. I'm
not anti-Catholic; I've just read books on the history of religion in the
migration of Americans. There were spotty settlements of Catholics in IL
and as time passed, there were more and more of them until today they
probably follow ethnic trends. Wh!
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> re there are large groupings of Poles, Italians, etc, the percentage of
Catholics will be higher. Otherwise, the percentage will be like that of
the general population. But that wasn't so in the first half of the 19th c.
Have I make things worse or better? I really didn't mean to offend.
>
>Doris
>
>-- Drucilla Meany-Herbert <> wrote:
>Hmmm..wonder about that too. My odd great grandfather and grandmother
>came over around 1852, their son Michael was a stonemason and did some
>sculpture for the Jacksonville Catholic Church there...so there was a
>Church. What the name of it was or is, have no idea.
>Drucilla Meany-Herbert
>
>Mary Ann Kaylor wrote:
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>>Few Catholics in IL at that time? 1860? I find that hard to believe
>>as Missionary priests were the first to "visit" in southern IL when
>>Kaskaskia was founded, the first capitol of Illinois..... I am talking
>>1700s here. And I know for a fact that Catholics settled in Central
>>Illinois in the mid 1850s. And priests were "circuit riders" just like
>>the Methodists, etc., traveling long distances to give the sacraments
>>to those Catholics. Just to clarify that one point.
>>
>>At 02:49 PM 5/29/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
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>>>If that doesn't pan out, there are two other resources, one for the
>>>Methodists and one for the Christian (Disciples of Christ) Church.
>>>The Methodists kept excellent records of where their ministers were
>>>when. Go to www.umc.org, click on archives, click on Illinois. You
>>>will find several "Annual Conferences." This is a geographical
>>>designition in this context. I'd try Great Rivers first, for the
>>>southern half of the state. You'll find, unless it's changed since I
>>>used it last, an email address. Click on that. Give them what you
>>>know and ask how long Clark was there. (If they don't have an email
>>>address you'll have to call or write a letter.) If they don't know
>>>of him, try the Illinois Conference, for the northern half, and
>>>repeat the process. If neither know of him, he's probably not a
>>>Methodist. You may have to pay a small fee for the info.
>>>
>>>For the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), there is a book,
>>>"History of the Disciples of Christ in Illinois: 1819-1914" by
>>>Nathaniel S. Haynes, 1915. It is arranged by county so it's easy to
>>>see if he's there. I got it via InterLibrary Loan. I believe I've
>>>found it online at various times but not others. The book itself does
>>>not have an index but once I found it online with an index, which was
>>>nice as my ancestor showed up in several counties. The next time it
>>>had been reformatted without an index. You might try googling the
>>>author.
>>>
>>>If he was a Baptist, forget it. They don't keep records except
>>>sometimes in specific local churches. Their national archives states
>>>that their archival records are useless for genealogical purposes, as
>>>they never asked churches or ministers to send records to the
>>>national body.
>>>
>>>There were few Catholics in IL at that time. And I suspect Clark
>>>would be listed as Father or Fr. if he were a priest.
>>>
>>>Hope this helps,
>>>Doris Waggoner
>>>Seattle
>>>
>>>-- wrote:
>>>This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>>>
>>>Classification: Query
>>>
>>>Message Board URL:
>>>
>>>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/jUC.2ACE/98.2.1
>>>
>>>Message Board Post:
>>>
>>>Michele,
>>>Thank you for the response to my query. After I saw your reply, I
>>>checked the 1870 census for Morgan county, Illinois and found an
>>>entry for a Robert Clark and his family in Franklin, Illinois, and
>>>his occupation is listed as "Minister Gospel". I then checked for
>>>current listings of churches in Franklin and I found four:
>>>Christian, Methodist, Baptist and Sacred Heart Parish Hall (I presume
>>>Catholic). I am guessing that Robert Clark was probably a preacher
>>>with the Methodist Church. I will do some research with the local
>>>genealogical society or contact the church directly to see if I am
>>>correct. I will let you know what I find out.
>>>
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