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From: "Larry Blackman" <>
Subject: Re: [HORNER-L] GEORGE HORNER
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:43:41 -0400
The HORNER info was really interesting.
I think a couple of things are conflicting, though, re William HORNER.
HORNER is said to have gone from PA to NC in 1750 but then in the next
sentence, he was only born in 1748, but it's not known when his father went
to NC? Move over Davey Crockett.
Then it mentions that he went on to KY and TN, but no county in KY is
mentioned. I only know of him being in Greene, Hamblen and Jefferson Co.,
TN, all in the same area. Jefferson Co. wasn't even formed until 1792 from
Greene and Hawkins Co. and as far as I know, he died there.
I have gotten the birth date of William HORNER as 31 Aug 1746 in PA or
NC, and died 12 Oct 1824 in Whitesburg, Jefferson, TN. Sorry, I didn't
document this. It also says he could have been born in York Co., PA. York
was formed from Lancaster Co. in 1749.
The other families that I have in Jefferson Co., TN were in Lancaster
Co., PA. Other families that I think were closely associated with them (and
I think all were Quakers) were McDONALD, KIRKPATRICK, and WILKINS. I think
the LANE family was also associated somewhere down the line. Most of these
lines were also in Randolph and Orange Co., NC. The McDONALDs were also in
Augusta Co., VA and are written up in Chalkley's books about the Scotch in
Augusta Co., VA.
My line was John B. HORNER (son of Thomas Nelson HORNER and Sarah LANE)
and Margaret McDONALD (dau. of Alexander McDONALD, Jr. and Hannah
KIRKPATRICK). Thomas Nelson HORNER was the son of William HORNER and
Elizabeth ALLRED. Alexander was the son of Alexander McDONALD and Margaret
RANDOLPH or HARRISON. Hannah KIRKPATRICK was the dau. of John Hugh
KIRKPATRICK and Margaret WILKINS. Sarah LANE was the dau. of Rev. Tidence
LANE and Hester/ Esther VAN BIBBER. These last two families were of MD to
NC to TN (for my line).
From: cassie <>
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: [HORNER-L] GEORGE HORNER
>This person rambles so it is hard to follow him.
>"In Wayne B. Horner Family Bible, which in 1956 was in the possession of
>George Doughton of Durham, NC, there are several references to the family
>ancestor, son of George Horner who immigrated to the State of NC from the
>State of PA, born in Orange County, February 7, 1761.".....3 Horners in
>living in NC: George Horner, Sr., George Horner, Jr. and Thomas Horner.
>learn later from the Revolutionary War pension records that George, Jr. and
>Thomas are twin brothers. Hence, the place and date of birth of the
>brothers is established, but not the date of their father's entry into NC.
>William Horner, and older son of George Horner, Sr., by an earlier
>may have followed a trail from the Reading area of PA to western NC about
>1750 and later moved on to TN and KY.... William Horner was b. 1748
>.....place of b. not known... During the American Revolution he was living
>in Randolph Co., NC ---already haveing left the household of his father.
>But by the time of the first census in 1790 he had already moved on to
>Jefferson Co., TN.
>But in view of the fact that this William Horner was a half brother of
>George, Jr., and Thomas, and the evidence in support of the conclusion that
>George Horner, Sr., later married an Orange Co. girl, we can surmise that
>may have come into North Carolina already with his first wife around 1750.
>The testimony is rather strong that his direct move was from PA to NC, as
>the later James Horner, founder of the Horner School, Oxford, NC, also says
>that the family ancestor came to NC from PA and settled on a farm in Orange
>Co. But this says nothing about how long he was in PA, nor does it throw
>any light on the question of whether or not he was born there. Perhamps he
>originally came from the Chesapeake Bay area---or Burlington, New
>Jersey--both of which by 1740 were becoming crowded and hence expensive
>where land values were concerned. He could have moved on to PA in search
>cheaper land, hence establishing his first family, but later moving on to
>together with a tremendous group from PA about this time.
>Evidence in support of this theory of two moves for George Horner, Sr.,
>instead of one is the fact that he did not spell his name the PA way at
>time, which was with an 'o' in the second syilable, but, rather, spelled it
>in the Maryland and Virginia manner. It follows that if he was a
>of James Horner of Kent Island, Maryland--or John Horner of
>the family has been in America roughly three hundred years, and, as we
>in NC for over two hundred years.*
>Orange C. deeds of the time indicate that the 2nd wife of George Horner,
>Sr., and hence the mother of his twin sons, was named Elizabeth.
>Futhermore, a will, probated in 1776, indicates that her maiden name was
>Holloway. In this Orange Co will one Robert Holloway remembered among
>others at his death a married daughter, Elizabeth Horner. The will states
>among other things that Holloway had been married three times and that
>Elizabeth Horner was a child of his by one of these earlier marriages.
>Hence, she must no longer have been a young girl at the time, and if she
>married to a Horner it must have been George Horner, Sr., as he was the
>one by that name in Orange Co to whome she could have been married.
>In addition to the twins, there is evidence that George and Elizabeth
>had a younger son, James, to whom George, Sr., deeded "a plantation" in
>Orange Co in 1785, with George, Jr., as witness. The name of James Horner
>appears again in the Orange Co marriage bonds in 1801 but not in the 1790
>census record. Actually the 1790 census record for Orange Co has been
>lost, but the Census Burea has substituted the Orange Co. tax list of that
>year in its place. .......Robert Horner appears first time in 1800, Orange
>Co. According to W. H. Horner of Sanford, Robert was most likely another
>son of George Horner, Sr.
>........land holdings of George Horner, Sr., which were at first on a
>scale but later quite extensive, most of it being in the vicinity of Little
>River which flows into the Eno. the first transacion is dated July 4, 1769;
>30 acres purchased from John Wells; but the 162 acres later in the same
>year, from Hugh Bradley. The most significant tract was 250 acres obtained
>in 1780 from Governor Richard Caswell.
> End of Part One
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