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From: "jherbert" <>
Subject: Re: [HERBERT] Mr Morgan Herbert, Gent of Rhwbren
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:58:36 -0500
In-Reply-To: <5D79B8DF47DC41AABF5E304B354F276A@RandiPC>


Hi Randi,

I'd be very interested in hearing more about this DNA project, and whether
it would be possible to have my brother tested and run against the known
lines.

Best Wishes,
Judy Herbert



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Subject: Re: [HERBERT] Mr Morgan Herbert, Gent of Rhwbren

Gee - this 'research' sounds very familiar. In fact, I wrote it. For a
descendancy or ancestry of Thomas Herbert, or to see the citations, please
see my web site:



http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/o/b/Randi-Robinson/



I should say that Thomas Herbert was not descended from the Coldbrook
Herbert branch, or from the Earl of Pembroke, but from another branch from
Crickhowell, Breconshire who descended from a base line of Sir Richard (1425
- 1469). I know that Burke's says differently, but it just isn't so.
Burke's based his pedigree from Thomas Herbert of York's pedigree (a copy of
which is in the Archives in Dublin) but he was wrong.



I see nothing in my research of a Morgan Herbert of Rhwbren. What county in
Wales is this?



One more item of HERBERT interest. My brother and I had our DNA tested some
time ago. Mine was the mtDNA test for my maternal line. My brother did his
paternal line. We registered the results with familytreedna.org and lo and
behold! My brother's DNA matched a gentleman from Wales, Frederick Herbert,
who descended from William Herbert, (~1421-1469) brother of the Richard
mentioned above. Quite remarkable! Mr Herbert and I are in the process of
comparing our research. I think we are 25 cousins!



Randi Herbert Petrone,

Formerly Randi Herbert Robinson



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Subject: Re: [HERBERT] Mr Morgan Herbert, Gent of Rhwbren



Judy

I ran into some info. on the Ireland Herberts during my research for a

book. If this is what you're looking for, I can send you a descendancy or

gedcom. file.

Diane Hill Zimmerman



Thomas Herbert went to Ireland as Edward Herbert Lord Chirbury's agent in

early 1655 after receiving various military and parliamentary permissions to


replant the estate and after getting guarantees from the local Irish of his

safety. He seems to have spent his first year rounding up the tenants who

had fled to the surrounding counties. He also imported many new settlers and


stock from his native Wales. Lord Chirbury granted Thomas an estate of his

own, Kilcow, just south of Castleisland.

Within one or two years, letters indicate the mistrust that Chirbury had for


his agent. Edward Herbert constantly prodded Thomas to send rent money back

to him, accused him of charging tenants agency fees, complained about

Thomas' expenses and wrote to others of his displeasure. Although Edward was


assured by many high officials in Dublin that Thomas was doing as well as

could be expected in such a war torn, poor country, Edward berated him in

his letters and replaced him after 3 years................etc.






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