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Subject: Re: RE: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:14:11 -0500

I would like to know the price, since I will have to pay a male Hamilton to do I need to convince him. One site I'm on the price is 99.00 and another is 150.00-up.

> From: "Charlie Hamilton" <>
> Date: 2003/01/27 Mon AM 11:42:58 EST
> To:
> Subject: RE: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project
> Gordon,
> Question: since there are several DNA labs, is there an interchange of
> information between them? Or, how would one DNA sample be known among others
> who were tested? Or, how would one compare his DBA results with results from
> other labs/
> Thanx, Charlie Hamilton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Hamilton [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:43 AM
> To:
> Subject: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project
> As announced on this list last October, the Hamilton National Genealogical
> Society has initiated a Hamilton surname DNA project for which I am the
> contact person and coordinator. At this point we have already collected
> several samples and sent them off to Family Tree DNA, the company that is
> doing the analyses for this study. Currently we are awaiting the initial
> results from the study.
> The purpose of the present note is to attempt to articulate why each of you
> should consider having a DNA analysis done for your Hamilton line and how
> the results could assist you in tracing your family history. This note is
> necessarily rather lengthy but I hope you will bear with me. First a little
> background will be given on the analysis that is being done in the Hamilton
> DNA project.
> In this study either 12 or 25 markers (the results will be more definitive
> with the 25 marker test) in the DNA of the Y-chromosome of each sample are
> examined. The Y-chromosome is unique in human DNA in that it is only found
> in males and is passed down from father to son virtually unchanged. The
> term 'virtually' is used because there is a small probability (less than 1
> %) that a mutation will occur in the markers each generation. The net
> result then is that the markers being examined will have essentially the
> same (or very similar) values for you, your father, grandfather, great
> grandfather, etc., back many generations (10 to 50 or more). Obviously one
> cannot directly analyze such DNA back more than 2 or 3 generations because
> earlier ancestors have passed on. However, the power of the technique is
> that one does not have to analyze the DNA of ancestors; one can obtain
> meaningful genealogical information by comparing the results from your DNA
> analysis with the results from others. Consider, for example, that your
> direct male ancestor of say 10 generations ago had 2 sons, one of whom you
> are descended from, and the other who is the ancestor of another group of
> Hamiltons. The Y-chromosomal DNA from a living direct male descendant of
> the second son should be identical or very similar to your Y-chromosomal
> DNA. The corollary of course is that, if neither you nor the other Hamilton
> knew your lines back that far, finding your DNAs to be so closely matched
> would indicate that you have a common ancestor. That could open up new
> avenues for both of you to explore. Of course, if you find that your
> Y-chromosomal DNA does not match that of another Hamilton one could
> conclude that you are not closely related (at least through the Hamilton
> male line).
> It should be emphasized that the analyses for this study can only be done
> on samples collected from males since they are the only ones with the
> Y-chromosome. Furthermore, because the Y-chromosome is passed from father
> to son the study can only find relationships that occur through direct male
> lines. Since surnames usually follow direct male lines, our study has the
> potential to find many relationships among various Hamiltons. Those of you
> who are females with Hamilton ancestors can still participate in the study
> if you find a male relative (father, brother, uncle, male cousin, etc.) who
> is willing to supply a sample for analysis. By the way, sample collection
> is painless; it involves merely rubbing the inside of the cheek with a
> brush collector.
> One should point out that there are several situations where the DNA
> analysis might give an unexpected result. These are sometimes referred to
> euphemistically as 'non-parental' events. Some examples of such situations
> are: an unknown adoption in your line, an illegitimate birth or conception
> out of wedlock, some ancestor taking the surname of a stepfather, etc. Of
> course, if you have suspicions that one of these might have occurred in
> your line, obtaining a DNA analysis and comparing the results to those of
> presumed relatives where it is unlikely such an event happened could
> provide evidence whether such an event has occurred in your line.
> Many of us have been able to determine our Hamilton lines back to the 18th
> or 19th century (4 to 8 generations or so) but have been stymied in trying
> to trace our lines back further. Using DNA analyses one has the potential
> to be able to obtain information about earlier generations. For example,
> suppose you have a well documented Hamilton line back to about 1830 in
> Tennessee. You suspect that your earliest known Hamilton ancestor migrated
> to Tennessee from either Virginia or North Carolina but have not been able
> to make the connection. You know that there are several known Hamilton
> lines in Virginia and North Carolina so it seems a reasonable possibility.
> By having the DNA from one of your Tennessee Hamiltons analyzed and
> comparing the results to those obtained from the various Virginia and North
> Carolina Hamilton lines, one would obtain evidence which one is the most
> likely to be related to your line, and thus you would know where to focus
> further traditional genealogical research.
> One of the general questions the Hamilton DNA study will also be able to
> address is whether virtually all Hamiltons come from a common ancestor (say
> 500 to 1500 years ago) or whether there were several different initiating
> ancestors. It is believed that most Hamiltons originated in Scotland,
> although, prior to emigrating to the new world, many had previously
> migrated to England or been transplanted from Scotland to Ireland,
> especially in the 17th century. In early Scotland there is a very well
> documented Hamilton lineage starting with Walter Fitzgilbert in the late
> 13th century. This line led to many Dukes, Earls, Barons, etc. and for that
> reason is well documented. Undoubtedly many other Hamiltons, including many
> who ultimately emigrated to the new world, are unknowingly derived from
> this line. By comparing the Y-chromosomal DNA of such individuals with the
> DNA from well documented descendants of the ducal line one could conclude
> with a high degree of certainty whether they come from the same line or
> not. Personally I think that there are too many people with the Hamilton
> surname in the world for us all to be derived from the Walter Fitzgilbert
> line. Walter Fitzgilbert's main seat of power was in an area near Glasgow,
> Scotland and surnames did not come into common use in that area of Scotland
> until the 14th or 15th century. About that time the descendants of Walter
> Fitzgilbert came to be known as Hamiltons and the town (now a city) that
> grew up around their castle (or palace) was given the name of Hamilton. I
> suspect that when surnames came into common use some of the retainers or
> servants who lived in Hamilton and worked for the ducal Hamilton line just
> took the surname Hamilton. If that is the case then there will be several
> initiating ancestors who gave rise to the various current Hamilton lines.
> In any event, the DNA study will be able to clarify that point if various
> Hamilton lines have the same or similar DNA markers within their line but
> the markers are different from line to line.
> In order to answer the question whether there is mainly one, or there are
> many initiating Hamilton ancestors, one will need broad participation by
> many Hamilton lines. For this reason alone, I would like to encourage as
> many of you as possible to participate in this study. However, a potential
> added benefit from participation is that some more immediate questions may
> be resolved in your line (see earlier discussion) and that you may find
> totally unexpected relationships with other Hamilton lines.
> Some further information about the Hamilton DNA project can be found at the
> web site of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society at
> http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/dnaproject.htm
> To participate in the study you need to fill out an application form that
> can be downloaded from that site (or I can mail you a copy). The completed
> application along with a pedigree chart giving your earliest known Hamilton
> ancestor should then be sent to me at:
> Gordon Hamilton
> 806 McCormick Ave
> State College, PA 16801-6527
> Telephone: 814-238-5695
> Email:
> For those of you who would like to obtain more information on DNA surname
> studies in general, the following are a few web sites that contain
> additional information.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/; this is the company we are using for the
> Hamilton surname study
> http://www.duerinck.com/project.html; a specific project with links to many
> others
> http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/; another specific project whose
> procedures we will follow closely in our study
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