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From: "aria99" <>
Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamiltons in Lanarkshire Scotland
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:56:37 -0500


Your story has some sense.....the first Earl of Arran died in 1529 with two
legitimate sons, James, who became the second Earl of Arran and tutor to
Mary, Queen of Scots and governed in her minority. and a younger son, Gavin.
However, the second earl was only 10 when his father died and the first
Earl's eldest son (illegitmate) was named tutor to the second
earl..........Sir James Hamilton of Finnart also received half of his
father's estate............
Back to your people. It says that in 1513 Sir James Hamilton of Finnart
was legitimized and that his father's two half brothers were also
legitimized..........one of the latter two could be your Archibald. It does
not give the names. However, the Earl's father died in 1479, so he could
not have fathered a child in 1500. With the dates you give, it is more
likely that Archibald was an illegitimate son of the Earl of Arran........or
an illegitimate son of the Earl's illegimate half brothers...........Have
you seen a copy of the House of Hamilton? It surely would give this
information. I have seen a copy , but do not personally have a copy. It is
almost impossible to find a copy to purchase. Also, the second earl's
younger brother was Gavin....a name apparently popular in the family. Also
in regards to Hans........The Earl of Arran was involved in some naval
battle regarding King Hans of Denmark and I wonder if that is how he got
that name......obviously it is not a Scottish name............
By the way, where is Raploch in Lanarkshire....is it at all near
Strathaven? Also, how did you trace your genealogy and where is your
website?

-----Original Message-----
From: D & G Reid <>
To: <>
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamiltons in Lanarkshire Scotland


>Hi Patricia:
> Thank-you for your reply.
> Hans (Hanis) John Hamilton was born in 1536. He did have a son and an
>uncle named Gawin as well. The Archibald who was his father must have been
>born sometime around 1500, depending on how old he was when he fathered
>Hans. The Gawin you refer to is later. I wasn't sure what the date you gave
>me was,
>Hans sons were James, Archibald, Gawin, John, William and Patrick.
>Hans was son of Archibald Hamilton, of Raploch, Servant to King James the
>5th. (I'm not sure what they mean by servant) I know the first Earl of
Arran
>is involved, and his father James Hamilton, but am not sure how. I think
>Hans may have been an illegitimate son of Archibald, and Archibald must
have
>been related to
>Lord James Hamilton, the first earl of Arran's father.
>The names are repeated over several times, it is all on my homepage, what I
>have anyways.
>It can be confusing!
>Anything at all you can tell me about the Earl of Arran and his family
would
>be great!
>Thanks,
>Deborah
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "aria99" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 11:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamiltons in Lanarkshire Scotland
>
>
>> I am specifically looking for Hamiltons in Avondale and the Torfoot
estate
>> or at Halls of Glengavill (in Lanarkshire near the Ayrshire border).. Am
>> also investigating Sir James Hamilton of Finnart, eldest illegitimate son
>of
>> the first Earl of Arran. One of his grandchildren was the cautioner
>> (guaranteor) of the will of one of my Hamilton ancestors.
>> I looked through some of my things from the Scottish Record Society
>with
>> the Hamilton names you gave me. There is a will at the Commissariot of
>> Glasgow described as follows: Archlbald Hamilton, son lawful to umquhile
>> (means "the late", if you are unfamiliar with that term) Gavin Hamilton,
>of
>> Raploch, parish of Dalserf 30 Sept & 16 Oct 1652. Could this be the
>> Archibald you are looking for. His father was Gavin, which may have been
>> his brother's name. Who is Hans that you mention? I don't see how that
>> fits in..........
>>
>> Pat(ricia) in Nebraska
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: D & G Reid <>
>> To: <>
>> Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamiltons in Lanarkshire Scotland
>>
>>
>> >Hello:
>> >I am also searching for information about Hamilton's from Lanarkshire.
>I
>> >have Archibald, of Raploch married to 1st Marion, 2nd Margaret. He had a
>> >brother named Gawin. I don't know his birth or death. His eldest son was
>> >Rev. James John Hamilton, vicar of Dunlop, Ayrshire, Scotland, born in
>> 1536.
>> >Married for 45 years to Janet Denham. Hans died in 1608.
>> >Have a bit more information about Hans and his descendants if
interested.
>> >Want more about Archibald and his family.
>> >Deborah
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "aria99" <>
>> >To: <>
>> >Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 1:22 AM
>> >Subject: [HAM] Hamiltons in Lanarkshire Scotland
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is there anyone on the list researching Hamiltons in Lanarkshire,
>> >Scotland,
>> >> from the 1500s-1800s?
>> >>
>> >>
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