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From: "Bob Johnson" <>
Subject: A bit about the early Gustin family included in this article from Dutch coloniesFw: Price Family
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:06:54 -0800

A bit of info on the Gustins, included in this lengthy but interesting
story.
Annie
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From: montrose <>
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Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Price Family

>Dave,
>
>I will respond to your Price query, a family I have been researching
for
>several years. First, let me clarify that there were separate Price
>families in Sussex County and Warren County, New Jersey, all with the
name
>Samuel among them, but they are not related.
>
>The family of my interest and focus is the Samuel Price b. c. 1692/3
>Deerfield, Massachusetts son of Robert Price and Sarah Webb and this
Samuel
>settled in Frankford Township, Sussex County. Samuel was taken
captive as a
>child in the Deerfield massacre of 29 February 1704. The historian
Sheldon
>related that Samuel was eighteen years of age when captured, but this
seems
>very unlikely and he was presumably about ten years of age at
capture.
>Little is known of Samuel's early captivity though stories told by
>descendants would indicate that he lived with the Indians. The
History of
>Sussex County, New Jersey relates that when Samuel was a "small boy
he and
>his mother were taken prisoners by the Indians at one of the
massacres in
>the Eastern States, and marched off together. She, being somewhat
>conversant with the language of the savages, soon learned from their
>conversation and gestures that she was to be dispatched, and
immediately
>communicated the intelligence to her son. She told him that he must
not cry
>when they killed her, or they would kill him too. She only marched a
few
>rods farther before she was killed. The boy was eventually adopted by
one
>of the squaws as her child, she having lost one of her own a few days
>previous. He lived with the Indians until he was twenty-one years
old, and
>was then rescued by his friends. It was a long time before he became
>thoroughly reconciled to civilized society, and he sometimes
expressed a
>desire to return to the Indians, but the feeling gradually wore away
after
>his release." Robert is quoted as the one who was the Indian captive
in The
>History of Sussex County, but it was Samuel. Samuel had a son Robert
who
>removed with Samuel to Sussex County and left heirs. The Indian story
seems
>quite accurate from what information is available, even though the
wrong
>name was attributed, as is not uncommon when family stories are
passed down
>through several generations. Samuel, his son Robert, and Robert's
children
>were all deceased when the History of Sussex County was published. If
>Samuel was eighteen when captured and released when twenty one he
would
>only have been in Canada for three years, when in fact he was there
for at
>least seven years and perhaps longer. Furthermore, his cemetery
marker is
>inscribed "Departed this life In the Year 1768 In the 75 Year of his
Age"
>indicating he was born in 1692/3. If Samuel was eighteen when
captured he
>would have been born about 1685 and over aged eighty at his death.
Cemetery
>markers are in some instances incorrect, but usually a person's age
is
>older on a marker than they actually were, not younger. There is no
birth
>record found for Samuel in Northampton town records with his other
>siblings. He was perhaps the youngest child and born after the family
>removed to Deerfield from Northampton. If Samuel was twenty one years
of
>age when he returned to New England, that would place the date at
about
>1713 which is somewhere very near the date of his return.
>
>The majority of the Deerfield captives were Indian captives and many
were
>ransomed or traded to French households, nunneries, seminaries, etc.,
on
>arriving in Canada. Some captives were not relinquished by the
Indians to
>the French and Samuel was perhaps one of those. There was great
pressure on
>the captives to renounce their New England Protestant religion and be
>rebaptised as Catholics whether living with the French or with
Indians.
>Samuel was baptised in the Catholic Church and given the French name
Louis
>Price as was customary and appears in records of Montreal with that
name,
>but the date of his baptism I have not located. If baptised by a
Jesuit
>priest in one of the Indian villages with a permanent Jesuit priest
or in a
>remoter village where a Jesuit priest would visit baptizing,
catechizing,
>confessing his converts, Samuel may have been baptised with an Indian
>surname and very difficult to locate. Several of the Deerfield
captives
>that were among the Indians lived at the Indian village and mission
of St
>Francois Xavier at Caughnawaga near Montreal, a mixed blend of
several
>tribes, but predominantly of Mohawk transplants from New York state
who had
>converted to Christianity and practiced Catholicism. The Iroquois
name was
>Kahnawake and that is the name it is known by today. A great many of
its
>present day inhabitants are descendants of New England captives and
it is
>said not a single family is of pure Indian blood. The early Kahnawake
>mission records are missing and if baptised there Samuel's baptism
will not
>be found where as his sister Elizabeth was living in a seminary at
Montreal
>with the French and her baptism occured 25 April 1705 at Ville Marie.
Some
>Deerfield children were sent to the Indian mission at Sault au
Recollet
>(or Lorette) on the Riviere des Prairies, on the other side of the
island
>of Montreal. The church at this mission was known as Notre Dame de la
>Nouvelle Lorette. In 1720 this mission moved to Lac des Deux
Montagnes (The
>Lake of Two Mountains) or known as Oka on the Ottawa River.
>
>There were captive exchanges in 1706, one expedition by Sheldon and
one by
>Appleton, which redeemed about one hundred English captives, but
Samuel
>still remained an unredeemed captive in Canada. After these captive
>exchanges, when an equal number of French captives were released by
the
>English, there were about ninety English captives still in Canada,
either
>with French or Indians. In 1707 Sheldon left New England for Canada
on his
>third mission to redeem captives. His venture was hardly successful
and no
>other attempt would be made by an Englishman to venture to Canada
until
>late in 1710. Where was Samuel? Was he far away in the forests in
some
>Indian village or near Montreal? Why had he not been redeemed? There
are
>several incidents of Indians hiding their adopted captives when
>expeditions arrived in Montreal to negotiate their release and of
French
>Jesuits threatening their removal.
>
>We know nothing of Samuel's first six years as a captive. In May 1710
his
>name appears as Louis Price in a list of persons naturalized, many of
them
>captives, "all professing the Catholic, Apostolic, and Roman
religion, have
>shown that they have been established several years in New France and
>desiring to end their days as subjects . . . to have all the rights,
>privileges, and immunities enjoyed by our born subjects, as well as
the
>same rights to hold and dispose of property, real and personal, but
they
>cannot leave the country without our express and written permission,"
given
>at Versailles. On the 29 Oct 1710 as Louis Price he witnessed the
marriage
>of Sarah Jeffreys Hurst to Guillaume Perkins, an Englishman of the
County
>of Lincoln, at Montreal. Sarah was a fellow Deerfield captive, the
widow of
>Thomas Hurst and with her six children taken captive, the youngest
killed
>on the march. She had been rebaptised as Marie Jeanne Jeffreys. The
couple
>were married in the "presence of Joseph Greenhill, shoemaker; Joseph
>Poupart called La Fleur, also shoemaker; Louis Price of the same
trade; and
>Jacques (illegible) called La Violette. In 1711 Samuel was godfather
at the
>baptism of his niece, Marguerite Fourneau, born 18 Sept 1711 to his
sister
>Elizabeth. He is called Samuel Louis Price, shoemaker, in the
baptismal
>record. The godmother at the baptism was Martha Marguerite French,
another
>Deerfield captive who was eight years of age when captured in 1704
and who
>m. 24 Nov 1711 Jacques Roi.
>
>The 1710 marriage record and 1711 baptism record imply that Samuel
did not
>remain with his Indian captors, but at some point had taken up the
trade of
>shoemaking. Was he perhaps working with his brother in law, Jean
Fourneau?
>Had his sister remained in Canada to take care of her brother? Her
husband
>and mother had both been killed in the attack on Deerfield and she
had only
>a father and two married half brothers remaining in New England. Did
his
>sister Elizabeth have contact with him in those early years of
captivity?
>Elizabeth and Samuel were most likely separated as were most of the
>Deerfield captives. If an Indian captive, did Elizabeth endeavor to
see
>him?
>At some point, if separated, they made their reunion.
>
>In 1712 Samuel Williams, himself a returned Deerfield captive and
brother
>of captive Eunice Williams who was living at Kahnawake and son of the
Rev.
>Williams spiritual leader of Deerfield who endured the march to
Canada and
>was later released, and a party (Jonathan Wells, John Nims, and
Eleazer
>Warner, all from Deerfield) left for Canada to make a prisoner
exchange
>arriving in July. On the 28 Aug 1712 nine captives were delivered to
Samuel
>Williams and his party at Montreal. Samuel Williams, his party, and
the
>nine captives returned to New England, three of whom were of New
Hampshire.
>Of the remaining six, the names of only Jonathan Barrett and William
>Sanford have been found. Was Samuel Price among these nine captives
who
>returned to New England? Perhaps, or perhaps he ventured from Canada
on his
>own to return to his New England home and where several of his fellow
>Deerfield captives had returned to.
>
>The next captive negotiations were in November 1713 when Rev. John
>Williams, Major John Stoddard, Martin Kellogg, Capt. Thomas Baker and
>Eleazer or Ebenezer Warner, and Jonathan Smith of Deerfield left for
>Montreal. They were detained ten weeks at Albany by weather. Capt.
Baker
>returned before the others to Massachusetts with three captives in
April
>1714 and the remaining party returned in Sept 1714 with 27 captives,
having
>been gone nearly a year, but their mission had been successful.
Samuel
>Price had returned to New England before this expedition, since he
married
>in April 1714 as will shortly be seen.
>
>Samuel most likely returned to Deerfield where his father was living.
Had
>there been communication between them during his captive years? We
know
>that commissioners who visited Montreal from New England spoke with
>captives and negotiated releases. Was the Price family able to send
>messages as others were able to do? Samuel perhaps after visiting
Deerfield
>traveled to Connecticut to visit his only remaining near relatives,
half
>brothers Ebenezer and John Field and their families of East Guilford
and
>perhaps to give them news of their half sister Elizabeth and of John
>Field's daughter Mary, who still remained with the Indians. Upon his
>journey to East Guilford, if in fact this occured, he would have
passed
>through Glastonbury, Connecticut and there he meant and married 7 Apr
1714
>Dorothy Fox b. 1693 daughter of Richard Fox and Beriah Smith. Samuel
was in
>Canada in Sept 1711, but had returned and married by 7 Apr 1714. Two
years
>after his marriage his sister Elizabeth d. Nov 1716 at Montreal. Her
>daughter Marguerite named a son Louis Casse perhaps for her uncle and
>godfather at her own baptism.
>
>Samuel and Dorothy resided at Glastonbury, Connecticut where they
were
>married. Nine years after their marriage on 23 Dec 1723 the town of
>Glastonbury voted to give the inhabitants a tract of 6,000 acres not
yet
>granted. In the list, Samuel Price received 82 acres. Dorothy Price
d. 10
>Feb 1727/28 leaving behind six children. Samuel m. 22 May 1729 at
Hebron,
>Connecticut, Sarah Perrin b. 1705/6. Her identity is yet unknown. She
is
>not the daughter of Thomas Perrin and Sarah Phelps as some presume.
>
>Samuel sold the 82 acre grant he received at Glastonbury to Jonathan
Hale
>in 1733. On 15 July 1735, Samuel Price, "only son and heir of Robert
Price,
>formerly of Deerfield, deceased, which Robert was one of the soldiers
in
>the Falls fight" received a grant of land near Deerfield. The list of
>soldiers in the Falls fight of 1676 near Deerfield was approved by a
>committee of the General Court, 23 June 1736. In the list entitled to
the
>township granted by the General Court was Samuel Price of
Glastonbury, son
>of Robert Price. There is no evidence that Samuel and his family ever
moved
>to Deerfield from Glastonbury when he received the grant. Samuel was
of
>Glastonbury, 3 May 1737 when he was appointed as one of the
administrators
>of his son, John's estate and guardian of John's only child, Eleazer
Price.
>
>Sometime after May 1737 Samuel Price and his family removed from the
state
>and went west to the Papakating Valley in Sussex County, New Jersey
>sometime before 1753 when it is believed his daughter, Elizabeth
married
>there at that date. It is related that the Price, Coult, and Gustin
>families were the first families to settle in the Papakating Valley
east of
>the Blue Mountains and another record relates they were the first
white
>settlers in the vicinity. In Northwestern New Jersey, A History of
>Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Warren, and Sussex Counties a biography
>relates that Mary Ann Price Couse "was a descendant of Samuel Price,
who
>came from Hartford, Connecticut, leaving the children of his first
wife in
>Connecticut. This Samuel was captured when a boy by Indians, and he
lived
>with his captors until he was quite a young man. He had a brother who
was a
>sea captain. Samuel settled a large tract of land near Frankford
Plains."
>
>We know little of Samuel and Sarah's life at Frankford Plains. They
had
>settled in an area with few white settlers and records in those early
years
>are scarce. There is no record of Samuel purchasing land from the
>Proprietors of the Eastern Division of New Jersey. Sons, Francis and
>Zachariah both purchased land in 1770. Son, Robert was taxed with 140
acres
>in 1773 which perhaps he purchased or acquired from his father
Samuel.
>Samuel and Sarah raised their children and saw them marry and become
>prominent citizens and resided the remainder of their lives in the
township
>of Frankford. Their remains lie in the Frankford Plains Cemetery. The
>monuments erected to their memory still stand after weathering the
elements
>of over 200 years.
>
>In Memory of Samuel Price who Departed this life In the Year 1768 In
the 75
>Year of his Age.
>
>In Memory of Sarah Wife of Samuel Price who Departed this life June
30,
>1761 in the 55th Year of her Age.
>
>The births of the six children of Samuel and Dorothy Price are
recorded in
>the town records of Glastonbury, Connecticut as well as the two
eldest
>children of Samuel and Sarah. The dates of birth for the children of
>Samuel and Sarah were printed by early Price family researchers,
evidently
>taken from a family bible.
>
>Children of Samuel and Dorothy:
>1. Samuel Price b. 19 June 1715 (vr) Glastonbury, Connecticut.
>2. John Price b. 24 Oct 1716 (vr) Glastonbury.
>3. Dorothy Price b. 31 May 1718 (vr) Glastonbury.
>4. Zachariah Price b. 13 Oct 1719 (vr) Glastonbury d. 31 May 1744
>Glastonbury, Connecticut. If he married, no wife or children survived
him.
>Inventory of his estate dated 5 Feb1744/5 by Samuel Price.
Distribution 4
>Feb 1745/6 to Robert Price, Elizabeth Price, Mary Price, John Price,
>Francis Price, Zachariah Price, Elizur Price, Ebenezer Price, Jabish
Coult
>and Dority his wife, William Hollister's wife Sarah, Samuel Price Jr.
His
>heirs were his brothers and sisters and the nephew of his deceased
brother
>John.
>5. Sarah Price b. 25 Sept 1722 (vr) Glastonbury.
>6. Ebenezer Price b. 20 Apr 1726 (vr) Glastonbury.
>
>Children of Samuel and Sarah:
>7. Robert Price b. 10 Feb 1729/30 (vr) 10 Feb 1731 (bible)
Glastonbury.
>8. Elizabeth Price b. 18 Mar 1731/32 (vr) 18 Mar 1733 (bible)
Glastonbury.
>9. Mary Price b. 17 Aug 1736.
>10. John Price b. 16 June 1739.
>11. Francis Price b. 13 Sept 1741.
>12. Zachariah Price b. 22 Sept 1744.
>13. Sarah Price b. 27 Oct 1748.
>14. Jerusha Price b. 25 May 1751.
>
>
>The descendants of the above family are quite well documented and
Rice
>Price is not a member of this family.
>
>Confusion should not be made with Samuel Price of Pequannock, Morris
>County, New Jersey who removed to Sussex County and who was a son of
Philip
>Price (d. 27 Apr 1782) and Sarah Jones (d. 6 Oct 1782) who were m. 14
May
>1750. Philip and Sarah had children: Isaac bpt 5 Sept 1760, Philip b.
5 Aug
>1750 bpt 5 Sept 1760, Samuel bpt 5 Sept 1760, and Sarah b. 1758 bpt
5 Sept
>1760 Morristown Presbyterian Church m. 29 Jan 1781 Samuel Loree III
at
>Morristown. William Price was taxed with 2 cattle/horses, Thomas
Price was
>taxed with 1 cattle/horse, and Sammual Price was taxed as a
householder in
>1774 in Newton township, Sussex County. Samuel and his brother Philip
along
>with William and Thomas who were perhaps sons of Philip by a prior
marriage
>signed the Revolutionary Pledge in May 1776 in Pequannock. Samuel m.
Mary
>Stinson and they resided at Hardwick, New Jersey near a place called
Kerr's
>Corners. Samuel and Mary had the following children: James Stinson b.
7 Nov
>1783, Archibald b. 29 Nov 1785, Sally b. 24 Feb 1787, David b. 10 Oct
1789,
>Betsy b. 4 Oct 1791, John, Susan b. 10 Nov 1796, Jacob b. 25 Jan
1798, and
>Richard b. 5 Sept 1800. Mary d. 22 Apr 1802 42y 11m 22d buried Yellow
Frame
>Cemetery. After her death Samuel had a second wife Mary and removed
to
>Trumbull County, Ohio and he d. 20 Dec 1827 at Hubbard.
>
>Paul R. Orr at is researching this Price family of
>Morris County, New Jersey and is a descendant of Samuel Price and
Mary
>Stinson.
>
>Rice Price is related to be a son of Samuel Price of Warren County,
New
>Jersey. See "First Settlers of Passaic Valley" by John Littell
beginning on
>p. 336 if you have not done so. Rice Price is related to have married
Phebe
>Clark and had eight children.
>
>J. Kelsey Jones
>
>
>
>
>----------
>> From:
>> To:
>> Subject: Price Family
>> Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 3:31 PM
>>
>> Hello,
>> I was wondering if anyone on the list has any information on a
Samuel
>Price
>> family that lived in the Newton area in the mid-1700's. Children
included
>at
>> least one Rice Price (born c. 1753), who lived in the Westfield, NJ
area
>and
>> married Phebe Clark.
>> Thanks!
>> Dave in CA
>>
>

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