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From: "Herbert Schwarz" <>
Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudeten tracht
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:24:09 -0400
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Sorry that I was somewhat out of line with the Tracht issue, but it
triggered my memory with the Resaurant which I visited a few times with my
family as a 7-8 year old. The other on I remember was the "Ruebezahl" again
I am not certain whether it was in Marienbad or Karlsbad ? - Returning to
the Egerlaender Trachten, I think the "Weiden" Egerlaender Heimat Museum has
Pictures of the Egerlaender Trachten on its webside. Herb Schwarz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aida Kraus" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudeten tracht

> The "Egerländer," a restaurant, is situated up on the hill at Marienbad
> offering a beautiful view to the visitors. And even after the Germans
> were expelled, the Czechs retained that typical Fachwerk (like Tudor)
> building and the folk art of our people contained therein.
> However, the question posed by Carol was about the Moravian tracht,
> which is entirely different from the Egerlaender tracht, and Karen is
> indeed far more knowledgeable in this and will give you expert advice.
> She has given seminars on Trachts of our German Bohemian homeland in the
> past and she will hold another seminar in Fall. When this is finalized,
> Karen, please post the date and place of your presentation here on the
> list.
> Aida
> ------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herbert Schwarz" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudeten tracht
>> Tracht remainded me of a "Restaurant" called the EGERLANDER , I think it
>> was in Marienbad (possible Karlsbad). It was up on the mountainside and
>> had lifesize Dumies in some of the local Trachts. Maybe Aida can give a
>> little more information. Herb Schwarz.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudeten tracht
>>> Catol,
>>> There were several versions of Tracht from Austrian Silesia depending on
>>> the
>>> area.
>>> The influences were from Franken Germans and the native Tracht worn by
>>> the people who lived in that area before the German's arrived. Czechs
>>> in
>>> the area tended to wear more elaborately decorated Tracht.
>>> The CGSI library in St. Paul and the GBHS library in New Ulm have a book
>>> about old Moravian and Silesian Tracht.
>>> It may also be available via Interlibrary loan. The title is Mährische
>>> und
>>> Schlesische Volkstrachten. Paintings in Guasch from 1814. The author
>>> is
>>> Miroslava Ludvikova.
>>> An alternate title is Moravske A Slezske Kroje.
>>> The text is in German and Czech.
>>> The Silesian places mentioned are Freudenthaler Gebirgs; Deutshce
>>> Gebirgs
>>> around Troppau and Jagerndorf; Troppau; Gesernike; Bodenstadt;
>>> Weiskirchen;
>>> Kuhlandchen; Kunewald; Stiebnig; Stauding; Pholanzer Lediges Madchen;
>>> Poruba
>>> Dominium; Teschen, Polish Ostrau, Freistadt, Niesser Furstenthum (part
>>> of
>>> Troppau Kreis); Herrschft Sternberg; Domstadtl; Hanaks (very early
>>> settlers in
>>> that area) Müglitz;Plumenau Geburgs Gegend; Schebetau;
>>> biskupitz;Jessenitz;Herrschaft Konitzer,
>>> The last ones may be in the Brunn district, not in Silesia if all of the
>>> Silesian images are shown together.
>>> I have some photos of pastel drawings of a Kuhland bride's Tracht that
>>> was a
>>> "museum piece" in 1945 when the drawing was made. The dress is all
>>> silk,
>>> full length and VERY elegant. I did not see anything that resembled
>>> it in
>>> the book about Moravian and Silesian Tracht.
>>> The whole portfolio of Images made in 1945 by Fritzi Mally is available
>>> for
>>> interlibrary loan from the University of Illinois. When I borrowed it
>>> I
>>> translated the text from German and put the translation in the
>>> portfolio when I
>>> returned it.
>>> It may still have that translation with it.
>>> _Deutsche Trachten aus den Sudetenländern_
>>> (
>>> / Fritzi Mally. - Prag [u.a.] : Volk- und Reich-Verl., 1943
>>> You may find a copy of the portfolio for sale at the ZVAB website if you
>>> search with Fritzi Mally.
>>> Mally also illustrated other works about the Sudetenland but I don't
>>> know if
>>> they include images of folk dress. Your research librarian should be
>>> able
>>> to tell you a little about what is available.
>>> There was little change between 1814 and 1880 except that costume may
>>> have
>>> been embellished more later in the century. A favorite embellishment
>>> was a
>>> cap embroidered all over with gold threads and aproms or skits of silk.
>>> .It
>>> was because Tracht was becoming so expensive with all the furs, silkes,
>>> velvets, gold, silver and gemstones added that the new style that would
>>> be more
>>> simple was introduced in the 1880s.
>>> German Tracht tended to be somewhat conservative and less elaborate
>>> than
>>> the heavily embroidered Czech Kroje that also developed in the area.
>>> There was a Prussian Silesia also and you have to be certain that the
>>> website you look at has versions that would include the Austrian
>>> Silesians
>>> if it is not about Austrian Silesians
>>> Search with Silesian Sudeten Tracht.
>>> Most of the modern tracht will show the styles since 1880. If your
>>> ancestors emigrated before that time they may have worn the older style
>>> Tracht.
>>> Preussler Verlag has published a lot of books about the Silesian
>>> Sudetens.
>>> If you find their catalog at their website, you may find a book about
>>> Tracht.
>>> Just be sure that any Tracht you track down dates from the era before
>>> your
>>> ancestors left.
>>> Karen
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