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From: Alex Boxhorn <>
Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 218
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:10:23 -0500
Hi Charles & Vera
I have to agree with both of you. But would like to add my thought trough own experience. I was one of the million immigrants from Russia in Germany. Since 2000 I live in Canada. Although I went to school in Germany from 1988 grade 3-10 and plus 3 years of apprenticeship after school yet. As far as I remember we never learned anything about Germans moving to Russia between 1767 - 1860 and never anything about German colonies in Russia. I was interested a bit in history at that time and was told of our the background from my Grandparents, that Germans moved to different parts in Russia etc...long time ago. My Ancestors came mostly from Yagodnaya Polyana and Paulskaya. Many local inhabitants in Germany wouldn't really know anything about this history. Even today my cousin living in Germany says that many local "Germans" don't know the real background of the German-Russian immigrants.
And Vera, you are right as well. There is lots of crime going on between those immigrants, Turkish immigrants and local German people.
Have a great day Alex Boxhorn
> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:02:42 -0700 (PDT)> From: Charles Parcels <>> Subject: [GV] German History> To: > Message-ID: <>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > Was wondering whether or not the history of , and plight of the Germans living in Russia from the 1700's to the 1940's is taught today in the schools in Germany ?I have spoken to 3 or 4 people from Germany fairly recently, & believe it or not, they never heard of the German colonies in Russia !! Could they be an exception to the majority ?I should have asked them this question, but didn't think of it at the time.> Charles Parcels ( Weibert aus Messer )> > > ---------------------------------> Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:13:08 +0200> From: "Vera Beljakova" <>> Subject: [GV] teaching GR history in G schools> To: <>> Message-ID: <000001c7d2dd$ab51d220$>> > Hi Charles,> I think you are somewhat mistaken.> There are close to 2-million GR immigrants (late-settlers)> In Germany, are called Russlandsdeutsche or Volksdeutsche,> and are not exactly German' population's favourite new> immigrants, due> to a disproportionately high crime rate among the> disaffected and poorly> integrated GR new comers into Germany.> You can read all this in the German newspapers (many have> English> language editions on the internet), on German websites,> and in the archives of both this List and the GR-Heritage> Listserv> Group. One can only hope that with time and education,> assimilation> will follow, better job opportunity in Germany which has a> very high> rate of unemployment.> > It is of course likely that the average German population> does not know> much about "colonies". All they know is that the GR> new-settlers-immigrants tend to come from Siberia and> Kazakhstan,> many speak no or broken German, are intermarried with> Russians, women> wear headscarves like old Russian village women, long> skirts and speak> Russian as a communal language at home, and eat Russian> food : Borscht,> piroshki, etc...> > It hard - on all. Of course, as everywhere in the world,> there is a> fine thin layer of the elite immigrants, high educated and> ambitious> with a string a degrees behind their name and are snapped> up by> multinational companies - esp. in the field of> engineering, IT,> mining..and such.> > Bye> Vera> > > > Was wondering whether or not the history of , and plight> of the Germans> living in Russia from the 1700's to the 1940's is taught> today in the> schools in Germany ?I have spoken to 3 or 4 people from> Germany fairly> recently, & believe it or not, they never heard of the> German colonies> in Russia !! Could they be an exception to the majority ?I> should have> asked them this question, but didn't think of it at the> time.> Charles Parcels ( Weibert aus Messer )> > >
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