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From: Audrey Thayer <>
Subject: Re: GER-VOLGA-D Digest V01 #23
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:01:35 -0800
Hi Diana - I was pleased to receive your e-mail but very sorry to hear
about your mother. Please accept our condolences.
I will accept the position of Social Convener but never having been one
before haven't a clue what it involves!
We will be at the meeting on February 26th.
> GER-VOLGA-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 23
> Today's Topics:
> #1 Village Travel Update 
> #2 Schlotthauer SCHREINER Bauer Krame ["Arliss (G/C/Klauser) Hoskins" <ar]
> #3 News: Engels Archives (Fund raisin [Beljakova <>]
> #4 Beware of fiction: Schooling & Mil 
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> Subject: Village Travel Update
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:55:57 EST
> Village travel update,
> Whether you are a beginner or an old hand at Volga German research,
> genealogy, and history, nothing will bring your work to life more vividly
> than a tour to the Saratov Region and your ancestral villages.
> See the archives where original emigrant lists and many other records
> were preserved. Visit two museums of Russian-German history and see churches
> and houses that date to the time your ancestors lived there. And most
> important of all, walk the streets, see and feel the history of your
> ancestral villages.
> We still have space for two travelers on the May 16-29, 2001 tour too
> Saratov and the Russian-German ancestral villages in the Volga River Region.
> For information and registration contact me as soon as possible.
> John Klein
> Russian-German Heritage Tours
> Subject: Schlotthauer SCHREINER Bauer Kramer KALB Schleder Schlater
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:39:05 -0800
> From: "Arliss (G/C/Klauser) Hoskins" <>
> S436 Schlotthauer SCHREINER4 Bauer4 Kramer6,7 KALB11 Schleder
> LDS film l,473,148 (M1461 Roll 348 National Archives) S432-S455 at Los
> Angeles FHLibrary in cabinet marked St Albans, VT for all Ports on
> Canadian border. www.familysearch.org Library and enter St Albans,
> Vermont. All are Germans from Russia unless otherwise indicated as the
> first one is.
> l. Schlotthauer, Albert 51, born Glatz, Germany. Port Halifax, N.S.
> 9.24.1937, SS St Louis, transit. Place & date of issue Berlin 9.4.37.
> Quota Country Charged W.I.U/P.V. No 617. Last lived Berlin. Relative
> wife Mrs. Schlotthauer, Kais wilh Str. 54, Berlin. Destination of
> person to join there: Berlin Ger c/o Hotel Shelton N.Y. Has $56, here 3
> weeks, 5'8'', fair, gray, blue eyes, no marks. Info on back: good
> health, German pp 194R827 valid to 12.16.lite/via NY St Hamburg
> 2. Schlotthauer, Amelia 8, born Kraft, Russia; with Sabina 36, Gottfried
> Anna 6, Port Winnipeg, Manitoba; Jul 25, 1913. Last at 507 Aberdeen,
> Wpg, Manitoba. Grandfather David in Kraft. Paid by father. Going to
> Scottsbluff, NE and permanent. Medium complexion, lite brown, brown
> eyes. Ship: Quebec May 8, 1912 Saturnia. adm.
> 3. Schlotthauer, David 34, born Kraft, Russia. Port Wpg July 25, 1913
> admitted; serial #206.155.2, laborer. Last 507 Aberdeen, Wpg. Father
> David in Kraft, Russ; paid by self. To Scottsbluff, NE, no name
> mentioned; permanent; 5' 7 3/4, medium, dark brown, blue eyes, scar on
> left side of neck. Ship: Betland Apr 23, 1912.
> 4. Schlotthauer, Anna 4, born Kraft with Jacob 33, Katerina 5, Katherina
> 32, Maria 14, Jacob 7, Katherina 5, Anna 4, Emilia 1. Port Wpg June 22,
> 1915, serial #351-156-20. Last Wpg 690 Redwood Ave. Uncle Johann
> Frederick BAUER, Kraft, Saratov, Russia. To Ft Morgan, Colorado, Uncle
> Heinrich Schlotthauer. Perm, fair, Lt Brown, Blue eyes. Ship: Oct 21,
> 1911 SS Willehad.
> 5. Schlotthauer, Emilia is one, born Wpg, June 22, 1915, serial
> #351-166-27, father Jacob 33. Last 690 Redwood, Wpg. Relative Aunt Annie
> SCHREINER 660 Boyd Ave, Wpg, Manitoba. Never in USA, paid by uncle, to
> Ft Morgan Uncle Henry SCHREINER.
> 6. SchlAtthauer, Annie 34, born Kraft, Fred 34, Gottfried 6, Emma 4,
> Heinrich 15, Maria 10. Port Wpg 10.14.1914, serial # 326-131-30
> debarred. Last 688 Redwood, Wpg. Brother David in Kraft. In USA 1906-11
> Durham KS & Various, paid by self. To Scottsbluff half brother Christ
> KRAMER, Scottsbluff, NE. Annie is 5' med, brown, green eyes. Fred in USA
> 1906-11 to 10-1911, has $550, 5'6 1/2" med brown, green eyes, no marks.
> Ship: Portland, ME 10-1906, ship unknown. Records by P5R.
> BACK of CARD: Date Apealed 10.20.14. Decision & date Sus 11.3.14. File
> 110041/587. Medical is good. Stamped: Port of Noyes Nov 11.1914 (Manner
> GN8) 524 #157976, entered at Noyes, Minn 11.11.1914 G.N.R. inspector
> Walter E. Carr
> 7. Schlotthauer, Gottfried 28, born Kraft, Russia; Anna wife, Julia 6,
> Maria 2. Port Wpg 4.29.1907, serial 212_20. To brother in law. Paid
> Self. To Sugar City, CO, Christian KRAMER; has $30. Ship: Portland, ME
> 11.06 or 11.1906.
> 8. German born Canada. Schlater, Barbara 10, born Balgoni, Sask, Canada
> with Vincent. Grandfather Jacob Schlater in Balgoni, paid by father,
> never in USA, going to Billings, Montana. Port is Sweet Grass, Montana
> Apr 20, 1909, serial 61-74-3.
> 9. German born Canada. Slater, Cora May 23, born Ashville USA, with
> Afred 28. Port: Marcus, Wash, Aug 22, 1914. Brother Thomas Hry Slater in
> Cranbrook P.C. Canada. In USA 1914 April Park River, Wash.
> 10. Schlotthauer, Jacob 33, Katerina 32, port is Wpg, June 22, 1915,
> Class II. Maria 14, Jacob 7, Katherine 5, Anna 4, Emilia 1. Brother
> David in Kraft, Russia. Paid by 1/2 brother. Never in USA. To Ft Morgan
> 1/2 brother Henry SCHLOTTHAUER, has $230, 5' 8" med, dark brown, blue
> eyes, scar on nose. Quebec Oct 21, 1911 SS Willahod.
> 11. Schlotthauer, Johann 32, born is blank, laborer. Port is Wpg,
> 5.11.1903, serial number 226-2. RACE; HUNG, NATIONALITY IS AUSTRIA. Last
> lived Fenssee?. Never in USA before. To Bismarch, ND with Andon KALB,36;
> has $20. Never arrested, permanent, head tax paid. May 5-SS Andra.
> 12. Schlotthauer, Marie 47 & 10 months, with Norma B, 33. U.S. Citizen.
> Port Quebec 7.28.1928, serial # 816-16-10, SS Montcalm. To Chicago, 1350
> Greenleaf Ave. All other fields are blank which is typical for United
> State Citizens.
> 13. Schleder, Paulina 32, with Rail 48. Port Quebec, Ontario, Liverpool,
> 11.15.01 or 11.15.1901, serial # 98-10. German from Russia. Last
> Wurtenburg, Germany, never in USA. To Philadelphia__________ Dutch? Nusb
> in Braron St at 2nd or 3rd St. All other fields are blank.
> Arliss (G/C/Klauser) Hoskins
> WISC,Sheboygan Data,Canada read at:
> Dobrinka on Volga north of CASPIAN SEA
> Downey, Los Angeles Co, CA.
> Family: Siegwardt,Schlotthauer of Kraft.
> Wolf, Schreiner, Metzler+Hefele+Borgens
> Georg Henry Graf b1872, Clauser of Dobrinka
> $9 VOLGA news 46 GranVista Dr,Mt Ida,AR71957
> Convention AHSGR 2001 June 3-10 Denver CO Renaissance Hotel $89
> Hoskinson EVANS Barlow Brent Cutsinger: KY 1814;to INdiana 1822
> Samuel THOMAS b1805 MD m Ann STEVENSON Delaware,died Madison INdiana
> Subject: News: Engels Archives (Fund raising)
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:33:27 +0200
> From: Beljakova <>
> Dear "Friends of the Engels Archives",
> Kenny Stuart - the Hon Treasurer !
> I have just spoken to Mrs Elizabeth Erina by phone and asked how she's
> She doing fine and she sends you all her greetings and good New Year
> She thanks Gerhard Lang for his incredibly generous donation which she
> received just now (today or this week), and it has been used for the
> purpose for which you sent it.
> I appears that she also bought some Computer Textbooks on How to
> Programme Archives -
> Self-Tuition books in Russian for her computer-staff.
> I explained that The Friends of the Engels Archives treasurer (our own
> excellent Kenny Stuart) is holding some funds for her - earmarked for
> Internet & e-mail connection.
> She thanks, but says that she already has a very good Modem, and she
> "Please hold on to the money until it is needed", as she still hasn't
> made inquiries about the connectivity costings - because she is running
> ragged for a Government Exhibition which they are mounting and which
> opens on Feb 22nd with masses of Government and German Governement VIPs
> descending to view the Expo.
> We discussed how best to transfer funds from Americas to Engles for your
> orders for genealogy or research based in her Engles archives. We are
> working this one out...and Kenny might need to volunteer to be the
> "permanent teasurer" for American-based queries. Hold tight for further
> In princicple, she is keen to help and assist and work together with the
> good people on this List.
> You must plesase understand, she can only do work and research in her
> own archives.
> Broadly speaking, these are the villages on the Wiesensite - Meadowside
> - East bank of the Volga.
> She expressed interest, and so I am sending off to her a parcel with all
> my information, memoires, photos, documents to do with Volga GRs.
> But she begs understanding, until the end of the month, when she can
> surface again for air from the Expo-organisation.
> Thank you everybody.
> I shall keep you informed.
> Vera Beljakova-Miller
> American-funds held in trust by
> Hon. Treasurer, Kenny Stugart.
> Subject: Beware of fiction: Schooling & Military
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:50:52 SAT
> Hello Virginia -
> Richard B. and I answered you from this list and you
> asked the Genealogy List as well, where 3 people
> answered you = so you had 5 replies, BUT not one of
> them was specifically applicable to YOUR time period
> AND your area, so don't take it as applying to YOUR
> family. This is how misinformation creeps into family
> histories and are perpetuated.
> We call is fictionalised family history when you write the way you think it might have
> The same applies to education - I gave you a brief
> outline, but again there is no knowing what type of education your ancestors had, only you
> can be precise.
> Let me warn of the dangers of invented or semi-
> fictitious family histories :
> Last week I posted 3 CVs of education paths and careers
> of my own relatives (based on documents obtained from archives),
> and for the life of me I didn't even guess that they had
> finished the German university of Dorpat or
> that they were educated in Russian gymnasiums.
> Because 2 were doctors and now a physicist, I could have
> guessed that they finished Engels German-lang.
> gymnasiums and the local Kazan' University (which would
> have been the cheaper option) and therefore more logical.
> So you see, if I had written up the more normal
> (cheaper educational route), I would have been wrong.
> I know you want a complete family history but assuming
> anecodal information which we relate to you is very dangerous and can be full of mistakes,
> and you will end up with a false
> family history. It is better to stick to what you know
> and have documentation for. Enter your family tales, but make sure your reader knows that
> these are "tales".
> At first I used to be happy to chat about military, history and education, but when what I
> write is taken as facts for family history, it worries me, and that is why I didn't give a
> long explanation of education system.
> Chatting and conversing is OK, but it shouldn't go further than a discussion.
> That's what worries me. There are no doubt plenty of good books on this subject from
> which you can quote, but please try to quote from real historians and known authors, it's
> safer that way.
> The reason I am warning you is because I see lots of scripts and their mistakes are
> glaring !
> Good luck - and be CAREFUL.
> Vera Beljakova-Miller
> > Hi everyone - Just wanted to say "thank you" to all of you who responded to
> > my request for info on military service during the 1870-90 period of time for
> > our G-R's. Some interesting bits of info will be used as my husband and I
> > try to complete the family story on the Bergstraesser/Vogel families. It is
> > so helpful to have people like you on this listserv being responsive as you
> > do. So, again, thanks for the responses. However, I didn't get responses
> > to on my query about schools in Volhyhia during the late 19th century. Guess
> > not too many of you Volhynian descendants have knowledge on this subject. We
> > researchers today find out that we always wait too late to obtain information
> > from those who once lived there. And then have to do our best to tell their
> > story with what we do have.
> > Sincerely,
> > Virginia Less
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