GENMSC-L ArchivesArchiver > GENMSC > 2004-05 > 1084874735
From: Josiah Jenkins <>
Subject: Re: Dealing with spam (was) Re: Help please with Birth Certificate data
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:05:35 +0100
References: <email@example.com> <009c01c434cb$aa8ded50$0a01a8c0@Atech> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <VR8nc.5717$kB2.email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <40A7E880.C0C14787@icehouse.net> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <40A8F9AE.B934EBE6@icehouse.net> <email@example.com> <40A977C1.7C9FA467@icehouse.net>
On Mon, 17 May 2004 19:41:05 -0700, I read these words from
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 10:43:10 -0700, I (once again) read words from
>> >> >
>> Are you likely to expand on this statement in response to my,
>> "Open" and "secure" newsgroups ?
>Several others had so I didn't think was needed.
Sorry, I hadn't seen any clarification.
>Open meaning open to anyone that comes along to read/write
>messages to the Group.
That one I had followed, ie the "normal" Usenet groups.
>And a secure NG is a secure NG. I've subscribed to Corel
>and Netscape secure NGs for years.
Right, I think I now see what you mean. A newsgroup which is
restricted to users of a particular service / product ?
>As described by others, it's a NG that is secure from
>spam crawlers for one thing.
Not 100% certain of that bit.
Moderated newsgroups normally have procedures in place to filter
spam and prevent it appearing on their servers (or removing it when
it does sneak through). But, and IME, addresses from those can be
"harvested" just as easily, especially those groups operated by ISPs.
<snipped descriptions which should be invaluable for newbies>
>> These <genealogy Web Pages> are different from other web pages ?
>You bet! I don't see many other types with 20,000+ names of descendants of
>a surname progenitor. Never seen that on a newspaper's on line Web Page.
Still no different in the respect that any e-mail address shown on
those pages can be "harvested" by a bot. Which was the point being
discussed (security in cyberspace).
>> I suppose they may be, I've only got 80 pages and they weren't
>> generated by a 3rd part program, they were hand-coded in HTML.
>Maybe I used the wrong term. What would you call a
>Web Page that's devoted to generalogy of a specfic group of surnames?
>Or more specifically to the surname link where you can view ancestral data of
>a particular surname line?
Genealogy Pages ?
(see my comment above re : crawler bots)
I've got another 40 pages covering that subject. Generated from my
database info by "GED2WWW" then tweaked in an HTML editor.
That part of the site is password-protected and only made available
to family members.
>> Would you care to enlighten this unworthy lifeform ?
>Sorry you feel that way. I was putting myself down for saying so much.
>Did I pass your test? I really tried hard to answer you in an adult manner.
Oh you did, extremely civil. Thanks for that.
>> >Sigh... <grin>
>> Sigh indeed !
Dearie, dearie me.
It's that old Scots/Murkin humour/humor problem again.
Don't worry about it, we even confuse the *nglish at times !
-- The Despicable Stewart
-- Perfidious Alban