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From: "Anne Hildrum" <>
Subject: Re: [GENBOX] Import of place names from GEDCOM
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:10:38 +0100
References: <GFENICALKCHOKFPIBCFGAEJKCFAA.geir.thorud@chello.no>


Since I remeber the enormous amount of cleanup
on places in TMG seems to me both program
makes it necessary to work with it afterwards.

I think however it would be better if you gave concrete examples
on what is in your Gedcom file, and how it is imported into
Genbox and how you would expect it to be imported.

If you already have mentioned it, sorry.

Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: Geir Thorud
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: SV: [GENBOX] Import of place names from GEDCOM


Hi Anne,

I am sorry, but in my view, you are creating
problems that I don't have. The places that I have
checked does not have any such inconsitencies in the
Gedcom file.

I don't have data registered as "Lia under Botne"
and "Lia, Botne". You can not expect a program
to sort out the inconsistencies that have been
introduced during registration, on import.

In my view this is simple, Genbox should as a first
step just follow the Gedcom standard. This is not
a problem with for example TMG.

Separate from this, it could be interesting to discuss
the name/place-matching algorithm, and how to match e.g.
"Lia,,Hvaler" and "Lia,Botne,Hvaler", but it is best to
base such a discussion on documentation of the algorithm
- so we don't have to guess all the time.

Gr. Geir



> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Anne Hildrum [mailto:]
> Sendt: 15. februar 2005 11:05
> Til:
> Emne: Re: [GENBOX] Import of place names from GEDCOM
>
>
>
>
> From: Geir Thorud
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:12 PM
> Subject: SV: [GENBOX] Import of place names from GEDCOM
>
>
>
> >> >
> >> > In any case I am sceptic to such an algorithm as long as the
> >> > same name may appear at many leves in a hierarchy.
> >
> >> In that case there were probably 'inconsistencies' in the
> >> placelevels in the
> >> imported file. When you have a place appear more than once
> on different
> >> levels, you will need to work out the inconsistencies in your
> >> original file,
> >> or in Genbox (= position them at the correct level and merge
> the different
> <> place-records).
>
> >What I intended to say is that a city may for example have the
> same name
> >as a farm. Or a city may have the same name as the municiplaty
> it is located
> >in
> >(although municiplity is not a level in Genbox at the moment).
> >(And there may be many farms and citys with the same name - but I am
> >not shure that is a problem as long as the superior levels are
> different.)
>
> >I know that I don't have inconsistencies in the Gedcom file.
> >All names are exported by the same code, from the same database
> >structure. And I have checked the file.
>
> I guess you may be the only one not to have any inconsistencies in your
> file as it is so easy to make them.
> some examples.
> You have the icelands of Hvaler, which consists of several icelands,
> there are area names on some of the icelands and of course there are
> farmnames there. So the Botne farm at Kirkøy might be natural to have as
>
> Botne, Kirkøy, Hvaler, Østfold, Norway, now of course since Lia
> is a subfarm
> under Botne that might have been reported as either
> Lia under Botne, Kirkøy, Hvaler, Østfold, Norway, but as well
> be reported as
> Lia, Botne, Kirkøy, Hvaler, Østfold, Norway
>
> Now in the latter everything is on a higher level than in the first one.
>
> Of course in some instances the Botne farm may be registered as just
> Botne, Hvaler, Østfold or Botne, Kirkøy, Østfold. Just take one
> small little incostency
> to make a mess.
>
> >The problem is that Genbox does not handle Gedcom properly
> >in this case - in my opinion.
>
> So in the case of Lia and the two possibilities:
>
> Lia under Botne, Kirkøy, Hvaler, Østfold, Norway
> Lia, Botne, Kirkøy, Hvaler, Østfold, Norway
>
> Do you expect Genbox to know that the two first in the latter is the
> same as in th first one? As far as I see it the Gedcom coming in
> is saying that the latter has one more level than the first one.
>
> Now if you did have Lia,,Hvaler, Østfold Norway, it should be able
> to know that this has thye same levels as the latter one due to the
> two commaes, whether it does or not I don't know.
>
> Anne
>
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