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From: "wim prange" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Secondary citation for multi-level sources
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:18:35 +0100
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Hi Kathy,

What about the following: treat the Higher Level source of the Primary
Citation as if it was already known and use the Bibliography as an

Your citations could look like this:
Primary: Magdalena Lenertz baptismal record, _Britten Baptisms, p. 28, entry
no. 69
Secondary: Magdalena Lenertz baptismal record.
Bibliography: _Britten Baptisms is: _Britten, St. Wendelin: Taufen,
1798-1836; Firmungen_ (1805), Bistumsarchiv Trier, Trier, Germany, microfilm
no. 1858655, item 2, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah

This example is just a quick and dirty cut and paste of your examples but I
think you get the drift. The Bibliography-Template of the Lower Source
should pull in the info of the Higher Source.

Gr. Wim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy Lenerz [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:10 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [GENBOX] Secondary citation for multi-level sources
> Wim-
> I think there are two parts to this issue: one of standards
> and one of practicality, and I think I differ with you on
> both of them.
> wim prange wrote:
> > In general, I think a second template should only spring
> into action
> > when the lower source is used again and that a different
> lower source
> > should always use the Primary Template (and repeat the
> entire higher source again).
> This may be a question of semantics, but I think calling a
> lower source a "source" is misleading. It's really just a
> part of a source. The real
> *source* is the higher level source. So it seems more
> correct not to repeat the "higher level" source in subsequent
> citations.
> > Readers are usually interested in a small portion of the report and
> > end/footnotes are usually not read from beginning to end. I
> think they
> > would hate it to browse an entire notelist to find the
> first instance
> > of "Britten Baptisms".
> This may be true-- I know I get irritated when I check out an
> endnote and find it says "Smith, op. cit.," then have to hunt
> for the first citation to Smith. Still, this is the proper
> way to do it. I have not suggested a change in the invoking
> of a secondary citation format lightly, but only after
> careful study of style manuals and scholarly publications.
> In the first scholarly history book I pulled from my shelf
> (published by Princeton University Press) is the following example:
> First citation to a "higher" source:
> Lore B. Foltin, "Franz Werfel's Image of America," in John M.
> Spalek and Robert F. Bell, _Exile: The Writer's Experience_
> (Chapel Hill, N.C., 1982), 300-310. [1]
> Second citation to a "higher" source, different "lower" source:
> Curt Sanger, "The Experience of Exile in Joseph Roth's
> Novels," in Spalek and Bell, _Exile: The Writer's
> Experience_, 258-66. [2]
> Third citation to a "higher" source, different "lower" source
> than 1st two:
> Herbert Lehnert, "Thomas Mann, Bertolt Brecht, and the 'Free Germany"'
> Movement," in Spalek and Bell, _Exile: The Writer's
> Experience_, 198. [3]
> Note that *all* subsequent citations to the higher source
> invoke a shortened citation. All the scholarly books I own
> use this same practice.
> --------
> On another note, your comment above rightfully suggests
> thinking about what the reader might want, an issue of
> practicality. Another element of this is simply length. In
> a discussion on the APG list recently, Richard Pence noted
> the impracticality of "proper" endnotes (2 Dec 2004). He
> said he considered entering a writing contest with a 10,000
> word limit, then found that his citations for the family he
> wanted to write about came to 12,000 words! I think that for
> every occasional reader who wants to find the first instance
> of a source, there are probably hundreds who simply want
> *short* citations. Also, if one is going to publish, longer
> notes cost more money.
> > The "Hereafter cited as" from Kathy's example would confuse me
> > however, it gives the impression that "Britten Baptisms" refers to
> > "Magdalena Lenertz baptismal record". When such a thing was
> possible,
> > I would rephrase it to something like "Parish register
> hereafter cited as".
> Thanks for the suggestion-- that was a good catch of a
> misplaced modifier.
> Much to think about . . .
> Kathy
> [1, 2, 3] Ron Robin, _The Barbed-Wire College: Reeducating
> German POWs in the United States during World War II_,
> (Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1995), 198.
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