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From: Michel Vuijlsteke <>
Subject: Re: [GENBOX] Women's married names
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:41:32 +0100
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20041216072729.034e1160@mail.internode.on.net> <CHEMKKAJHOKJPIEOPLKDEEFEFKAA.clcasper@sprynet.com>
In-Reply-To: <CHEMKKAJHOKJPIEOPLKDEEFEFKAA.clcasper@sprynet.com>


Cheri,

Not so, as far as I can see. The Firstname (Maiden) Married thing pops
up even when there's no marriage name defined.

To me "Michel Vuijlsteke, son of Marc Maurice Régine and Marie Louise
(Waegenaer) Vuijlsteke" is just plain incorrect. Nowhere did I
indicate my mother was ever known as "Marie Louise Vuijlsteke". She is
not, has never been and wil never be. I can get rid of the (Maiden)
thing only if I check the "partners" checkbox for her marriage, but
that doesn't make sense either.

Michel


On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:28:14 -0800, Cheri Casper <> wrote:
> I don't understand the beef with narrative reports because it does not
> appear to me that ANY married name is assumed. I kept my birth-given
> surname when I married. My daughter's individual narrative reads: "Shannon
> Louise Baz-Casper, daughter of John Joseph Baz-Dresch and Cheri Luann
> Casper, was born on . . . ." A married name is NOT assumed for me.
> However, my husband's narrative report shows his mother's maiden name and
> married name: "John Joseph Baz-Dresch, son of Rafael Maria de la Luz Felix
> Enrique Agustin del Sogrado Corazon de Jesus and Mary Edith (Evans) Baz y
> Dresch, was born on . . . ."
>
> The difference is that for my mother-in-law I've added a married name
> identifier; for myself, I have not. Therefore, it appears that the
> convention (maiden) married only comes into play if the female/mother has a
> married name identifier. If she does not, no married name is assumed. I
> used the very same report in both instances so that is the only difference
> that I can attribute to the appearance of the married name.
>
> Perhaps someone else would like to run a test; I used the Individual
> Narrative.
>
> CheriC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Lamacraft [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:05 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Women's married names
>
> Wim,
>
> I had not realized that GenBox was so culturally *one-eyed* - meaning
> US-oriented.
>
> There are many cultures where there is not an _automatic_ assumption of the
> males's surname on Marriage.
>
> **PLEASE implore Bill Flight to fix this. **
>
> Luckily, I have not tried to use GenBox to report on my own family. If had
> shown such reports to certain partners, the content would have been harshly
> disparaged as _inaccurate_ . "You should have known better than to use a
> program that forces the assumption of a marriage name. I will never be
> known by that name".
>
> Robin
> At 17:49 15/12/2004 +0100, Wim wrote:
> >Hi Chi
> >
> >Unfortunately not. This happens in narratives when referring to the parents
> >of an individual. I have asked for a feature on the beta-list where you
> were
> >allowed to 'construct' your own display of parent-names but I didn't get a
> >lot of support on that. Another option could be to have more choices on the
> >Report Options View.
> >
> >What you can do is omit these parent-names from reports. On the Report
> >Options View, select All under "Content for", then select "Omit" in the
> >Parents-box.
> >
> >Gr. Wim
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chi Vu [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:17 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [GENBOX] Women's married names
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In the Narrative Reports, married women's names are shown as
> > > "Jane Mary
> > > (Olson) Smith", where Olson is her maiden name and Smith is
> > > her husband's last name. Is there a way to make the report
> > > show the maiden names only, that is "Jane Mary Olson"? In
> > > some cultures, women do not legally change their names when
> > > they marry, thus the report is incorrect.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chi
> > >
> > >
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