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From: "Cheri Casper" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:29:09 -0800
In-Reply-To: <FFEBLNNBNENFDKOPJEBPOEBMECAA.paulharris@nc.rr.com>


Must have confused publishing place variables with repository. Oops.
CheriC

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:10 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior


Cheri,

The Short Place checkbox is triggering the strange behavior. Yes, it would
make sense if the Pub Place field had only Baltimore in it that it should
suffice, but since Baltimore is not checked as a Short Place, but the Md.
name variation for Maryland is, that appears to be what is causing the
output of:

Baltimore, Baltimore County, Md.

When the preferred name is:

Baltimore, Baltimore County, Maryland

When it comes to the Pub Place, we don't currently have any other variables
to use. It's [PUB PLACE] or [PUB PLACE INV]. We don't have a [PUB CITY]
variable, and I'm not sure I would want one. All the control we need in this
area exists in the way we can define Place Name Variations, I just want the
Short Place checkbox to leave the sources alone. <g>

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:31 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior


Paul - I would agree that short place options should not affect citations in
any manner, BUT in your examples it looks like using Short Place has the
opposite effect . . . you are getting the city, county, and state when only
the city is required. I have, for the most part, modified my source
formatting variables to use separate variables for each place level instead
of one variable. I feel it gives me more control and in your case would
certainly solve the problem(s). CheriC

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:41 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior


Cheri,

I don't want to check the well-known box, as that would use the city name
alone in ALL contexts. Changing the Primary Name does not address the issue,
either. It IS possible to check the Short Name box for the city name with no
higher place, but again, you should get results similar to using well-known
in ALL contexts.

I'm just trying to raise the issue of whether the selection of Short Places
in the Report Options should have ANY impact on source citation output. It
seems to me that Short Places is being selected to conserve space on a chart
layout, but it wouldn't have that much impact on endnotes.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:19 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior


Paul - Some random suggestions: Have you checked the "well-known" box on
your Place list? Or have you tried to move the place which is totally
absent a higher place to the top of the list of Place Names and see if
either or both doesn't resolve the problem? Cheri

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:53 AM
To:
Subject: [GENBOX] Publishing Place Behavior


Bill, et al,

Perhaps you could check and see if you are getting the same behavior on this
problem. My preliminary testing indicates that it is only occurring in
citations on Charts and one report, the infamous 6 Generation Pedigree.

I have sources that are Books. The publishing places are Philadelphia and
Baltimore, for example. For the source definition, I created an alternate
place name for these cities that had NO HIGHER PLACE. When I enter them into
the source definition, I am entering the name variation without the higher
place. In all output contexts except those listed in the above paragraph,
they output as expected in a first citation:

(1914; reprint, Baltimore: Gateway Press, Inc., 1998)

or

(Philadelphia: Innes & Sons, 1922)


However, in all Charts with citations, and the 6 Generation Pedigree only in
Reports, when the first citation is generated, it appears to use the
Preferred Name for the Publishing Place, rather than the selected one, and
the output is:

(1914; reprint, Baltimore, Baltimore County, Md.: Gateway Press, Inc., 1998)

or

(Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pa.: Innes & Sons, 1922)

The reason this is happening is because in these contexts, Short Places is
checked in Report Options. I'm inclined to think that Short Places should
only refer to places displayed on the chart, not to Notes and Bibliography,
which should retain the form that is entered. What do others think?

Paul


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