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From: "wim prange" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Individuals Window, Attributes Tab
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:37:03 +0200
In-Reply-To: <002401c39857$e31cd480$5085fea9@Denise>


Hi Denise e.a.

I think the Attributes are first sorted alphabetically on the "Attribute
type" name and subsequently in the order in which they were entered (their
recordnr.). Attributes are supposed to be a "characteristic of a person that
can persist over an extended period of time, such as sex, physical
description, national origin, and occupation" according to the helpfile.
Some of these will ofcourse stay 'fixed' during someones life. I think this
is the reason Bill left out a chronological sorting order because of this
"extended period of time". Other 'attributes' may alter though, so it seems
logical to have a chronological sorting facility as well. I would like to
have it sort alphabetically on the Attribute name *first* though: this way
all "Occupations" for instance are grouped together. On the Summary-tab you
can view someones 'chronology' in more detail than on the attributes-tab.

Gr. Wim

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Denise L. Moss-Fritch [mailto:]
> Verzonden: woensdag 22 oktober 2003 6:50
> Aan:
> Onderwerp: RE: [GENBOX] Individuals Window, Attributes Tab
>
>
> Evening Again Paul,
>
> I've checked the Events Templates window, specifically for the Employment
> tag. The Secondary list is identified as Attribute and the Secondary Label
> text box is shown as Occupation. However, there are no options
> for sorting.
> Same with the Attributes tab of the Individuals window, no options
> (right-click off the label bar above the list or any other preference) for
> sorting the list.
>
> And yes, this will have to go on to Bill.
>
> What I find interesting in the Attributes tab list at which I am
> looking now
> is the type Occupation is not sorted, while the type Religion is sorted
> chronologically. Why? I checked the online help system, but no hints there
> either.
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> ***********************************************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
>
> Okay, they are valid dates, so that is not the problem.
>
> As I scanned my own database I began to find Occupation Attributes out of
> chronological order, also. At first, it appeared they were sorting
> alphabetically, but I found a case that shot that theory into the ground.
>
> So, this one goes to Bill. How are multiple versions of the same attribute
> sorted on the Attribute Tab? Or, are they?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denise L. Moss-Fritch [mailto:]
>
> > What do your time spans look like-exactly?
>
> Exactly as identified in the online help system.
>
> Date range example - between 26 August 1968 & August 1970
> (note: Genbox changed the 'and' I typed to '&')
>
> Date span example - from May 1985 to October 1985
>
> > On the Individual View, Summary Tab, if they are not is proper
> > chronological order, are ages calculated for them (if there is a birth
> > date)?
>
> Chronology on the Summary tab is correct and ages are shown.
>
>
> ************************************************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
>
> Denise,
>
> What do your time spans look like-exactly?
>
> On the Individual View, Summary Tab, if they are not is proper
> chronological
> order, are ages calculated for them (if there is a birth date)?
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denise L. Moss-Fritch [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:50 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Individuals Window, Attributes Tab
>
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I had not tried the maint routines.
> Just did and
> the list remains unchanged and still out of time order. I am beginning to
> suspect that the list is fine for a single date, yet has problems
> with date
> spans or ranges. Any comments Bill?
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> **************************************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
>
>
> Denise - I haven't experienced this particular problem. I use the
> Employment event tag versus the Occupation and have the secondary
> output set
> to Attribute. Both events and Attributes are coming across in date order,
> however, I must admit that I haven't used too many spans but
> rather a single
> year (in particular using occupations listed on the census).
> Have you tried
> the maintenance operations? I find that Compacting often fixes
> things that
> appear to be out of sync.
>
> CheriC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denise L. Moss-Fritch [mailto:]
>
> Just back from a five-day business trip. I am happy to see the
> list back in
> order, yet was hoping for an answer or at least a suggestion to
> my question
> of Oct. 12th. I am using date spans for the occupation list yet have not
> been able to 'order' the occupations in a time sequence. Even the
> Event tag
> (Occupation 1, Occupation 8, etc) are not in sequence. Any ideas?
>
> Best,
>
> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> The list certainly has been quiet of late. I do have a question
> however and
> would appreciate a bit of assistance.
>
> In working with the Attributes tab. Individuals window I have a series of
> Occupations listed for individuals through their lifetime. The Attribute
> Type is Occupation. The Text is the name of that occupation. And the E
> button is active to tie in with the event.
>
> Now, the problem is there is no sequential order (time) for these
> attributes. Each of the events has a date, however those dates do not seem
> to be sequencing these attributes. So, what have I missed?
>
>
>
>
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