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From: "Cheri Casper" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Higher and Lower Sources
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:23:11 -0700
In-Reply-To: <001701c37ad1$dcad8a20$0100a8c0@beth>


Beth, Kathy - That is what Lead Text or Annotation is designed for. What
Lead Text is not designed for -- and which I think may have caused the
confusion -- is for generic sources such as the 1880 LDS census index
wherein the user uses the Lead Text field for the name of the HoH. CheriC

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth Gay [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:07 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [GENBOX] Higher and Lower Sources


Hello Kathy,
I believe I understand the problem now but I don't see a solution. If one
could enter the extract on the citation page independent of the evidence on
the lower source page that would solve the problem but for now we cannot.
I also would like to be able to be able to copy citation information
automatically from one record to another when I am using the same citation
for different events. For instance if citation # 20 is for one assertion and
citation #21 is for a different assertion but exactly the same citation ; I
would like a button, pick dialog or something that would enable me to copy
the information from #20 to #21.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Lenerz" <>



> Cheri--
> Well, yes, but this leads directly back to my original post:
>
> >The alternative would be to just use the newspaper, baptismal register,
> >or vital record register as a higher-level source, entering all
> >extracts consecutively on the same evidence page. In order to keep
> all >these extracts straight, however, this method would require
> labeling >them all, e.g., date and page no. Since the date and page
> number are >already entered in the citation record, this is double entry
> of the >same information. Plus, I think that it would be cumbersome to
> have to
> >scroll through hundreds of entries to find what one wants.
>
> -Kathy
>
> Cheri Casper wrote:
> > Kathy - While you can't add to the Evidence field with the Citation
window
> > open, you can have the Source open at the same time and add the Evidence
> > there. When you click back on the Citation window, what you just added
to
> > the Source should now be available for use and marking in the Evidence
area.
> > You can keep both windows open as you work adding text here, using it
there.
> > The ability to have both windows open is wonderful as well as the
ability to
> > have multiple instances of the *same* window open. Changes made one
place
> > are also reflected in the other.
> >
> > CheriC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kathy Lenerz [mailto:]

> > Cheri-
> > Didn't Bill say a short while back that the Lead Text area wasn't
> > intended for that use? Perhaps that's why when I tried what you
> > suggested, it produced the same results that Beth is trying to deal
> > with. When I put the verbatim text in the Lead Text for more than one
> > event, it printed out multiple times. I think ibids only take the rest
> > of the footnote into account. I would like to reserve annotations for
> > actual annotations, i.e., notes about the text, conflicting data, and
> > how I reached my conclusions. If I put both the verbatim text and the
> > annotation in the Annotation field, and if I want separate annotations
> > for the different events using the same citation, the verbatim text will
> > always print out. . . I don't seem to be able to figure out how to have
> > it all. It would all be simple if there were an Evidence box in the
> > citation window.
> > Kathy
> >
> > Cheri Casper wrote:
> >
> >>Kathy - What you are trying to accomplish does not require separate
> > sources.
> >>Nor are you bound to using the Evidence area since you don't think that
> > will
> >>work for you. Therefore, I would suggest that you use either the Lead
> > Text
> >>field or the Annotation field and put in the exact info that you want
> > there.
> >>Just make one higher source for your newspaper and design it so that you
> > can
> >>use the CD field for the date and page number. Then put the verbatim
text
> >>in the Annotation or Lead Text field.
> >>
> >>However, you can use either of the two other options. All three -- lead
> >>text, evidence, annotations -- can be used conjunctively. This,
combined
> >>with your actual CD, gives you what amounts to 4 CD fields. They are
just
> >>labelled differently in this program. You might want to read the Help
> > file
> >>on this.
> >>
> >>Once you get the hang of this, you will find it vastly superior to
having
> > to
> >>remember which CD you have allocated to which iota of data. Sourcing is
> > one
> >>of the reasons this satisfied GB user made the switch.
> >>
> >>CheriC
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Kathy Lenerz [mailto:]

> >>I have been reading this thread with interest. Conceptually, using
> >>multi-level sourcing seems to make sense. Practically, I have a harder
> >>time with it. My concern is that it seems to require a lot more data
> >>entry work.
> >>
> >>Here is my situation: I have a number of higher level sources from which
> >>I extract information: church record books, vital records entered in
> >>registers, newspaper articles and tidbits. What I would really like to
> >>do with these is have one higher level source and enter the citation AND
> >>text in the citation box/window. However, there is no place to enter
> >>text there. Therefore, I have to choose whether to make each baptismal
> >>entry or newspaper tidbit a separate source or whether to create a
> >>superordinate source, with these as lower level documents. To give you
> >>an idea of the magnitude of these "documents," here are a few examples:
> >>
> >>Baptismal entry:
> >>Die vigesima quarta xbris 2a. matin natus et eadem renatus est Michael
> >>filius legitimus Adami Lenert custodis ovium et Annae Mariae Scheer
> >>conjugum ex Britten. Levantibus Michaele Schuligen et Helena Brausch
> >>adolescenta, ambobus ex Britten.
> >>
> >>Newspaper item:
> >>Mr. John Baltes is having a large barn built this fall. Master
> >>carpenter John Schwarz is doing the work.
> >>
> >>Newspaper item:
> >>Mrs. John Lenertz is still on the sick list.
> >>
> >>I have dozens of baptismal entries from the same register and hundreds
> >>of newspaper items from the same newspaper.
> >>
> >>It would make conceptual sense to decide that a baptismal entry,
> >>marriage entry, or newspaper piece is a lower level "document" in a
> >>higher level source, and use multi-level sourcing. Practically,
> >>however, this requires setting up a new (lower level) source for each
> >>9-word item from a newspaper, and coming up with a name for each such
> >>sentence from the gossip column. (As an aside, this was a GREAT place
> >>to obtain information!)
> >>
> >>The alternative would be to just use the newspaper, baptismal register,
> >>or vital record register as a higher-level source, entering all extracts
> >>consecutively on the same evidence page. In order to keep all these
> >>extracts straight, however, this method would require labeling them all,
> >>e.g., date and page no. Since the date and page number are already
> >>entered in the citation record, this is double entry of the same
> >>information. Plus, I think that it would be cumbersome to have to
> >>scroll through hundreds of entries to find what one wants.
> >>
> >>Both of these methods seem like a lot more work than what I am used to
> >>in the "other" program-- enter both the citation detail and extract on
> >>the citation entry screen.
> >>
> >>As I try out this program, this seems like one major stumbling block to
> >>me. Any thoughts on this situation or my thinking here would be
> >>appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Kathy


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