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From: "Deborah Wesley" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:20:38 -0500
In-Reply-To: <LJECKLFMNLFFEIMDFGGDKEABDLAA.w.prange@chello.nl>


I think I will do something like you suggest. Of course, I imagine I
have a "few" days of data clean-up first.

-----Original Message-----
From: wim prange [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:34 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE


Hi Bjarne, Debbie e.a.

You could use this approach also and make it a "research task" in GB. On
the Notes-tab of a source is a button to this table. You could enter the
referenced sources as different "searches": as a text-entry in
description; or as an actual source from the Sources List. I would enter
it in description I suppose, because I like to keep my SL 'clean' and
managable. Also, I never use someone else's source as my own source, so
I want the sources in my SL to be *my* sources.

This research-task could then become part of a Project/Objective called
"Literature to consult" in GB.

Gr. Wim

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Wesley, Debbie [mailto:]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 19 augustus 2003 23:38
> Aan:
> Onderwerp: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
>
>
>
> I think of sources of sources as "to do" tasks. Consult this source to

> see how it stated the information. Sometimes it takes two or three
> levels of drilling to get to anything approximating a primary source.
>
> I too would like to link "sources of sources"; I would then add these
> sources as a research target. Once I examine the source I then already

> have all the information entered to link it to the event - augmenting
> it with MY
> interpretation of the evidence.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bjarne Dein [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:30 PM
> To:
> Subject: SV: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
>
> Hi Cheri (et All)
>
> I know this can be done, but why not do it the right way if
> possible...? Lately I've been reading a lot of books about "Man and
> Beasts" from my home town (fun I should say...), and somehow a lot of
> these authors use each other as there sources (and me too...!) - AND
> as I've said before I'm a lazy
> bastard, what can be done once, I don't want to do twice!
>
> And as it is right now, SOURCES can't be linked to sources, as Wim
> said.
>
> So, Bill - please help
>
> Bjarne:-)
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
> Sendt: 19. august 2003 17:59
> Til:
> Emne: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
>
>
> Here is what I do. I enter the Sources of a Source in the Source
> Notes field. Then if I need to I can append the "source of a source"
> to the actual source so that I get
>
> Bill Utterback, "Bollinger Anderson Snippet, Graves Co. Early
> Newspaper Snippets," e-mail message from <> (P.O. Box
> 150, Amarillo, TX
> 69105-0150) to author, 9 January 2003, citing Mayfield Monitor, 17
> August 1887.
>
> In order to append the "citing Mayfield Monitor, 17 August 1887"
> portion, from the Citation window I merely click enough times to open
> the Source Notes. Then I select and copy the "Mayfield Monitor" part.

> Go to the Annotation field, type the word "citing" and paste the text.
>
> You can accomplish the same thing by adding the Sources of a Source to

> the Evidence field and it doesn't take as many clicks to get to the
> juncture where you can copy & paste it into the Annotation. However,
> I prefer to keep the Evidence field for actual
> extracts/abstracts/transcriptions and so prefer to use the Source
> Notes. But either way, this is totally doable now.
> The only problem is that the Annotated material is separated from the
rest
> of the citation via a period, not a comma. I am optimistic that at
some
> juncture this will be user defined. However, this could be cleaned up
in
> your word processor and seems a minor inconvenience. Actually, a
macro
> could be written that would automate the process by hunting for the
word
> "citing."
>
> If you are using a lot of these types of sources (say, you are using
> your cousin Ann's manuscript and want to use all of her 900 sources as

> well so that you can say "Ann, blah blah blah, citing yada yada yada"
> I don't think you would really want to have to add all of those 900
> sources that she uses
> as separate sources. Besides there might be a tendency to bypass
> giving her
> credit and using HER sources directly which wouldn't be appropriate.
By
> attaching them to HER source record, then they can only be used in
> conjunction with a linkage using the word "citing" (or
> "referencing" if you
> prefer) back to HER source record.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> CheriC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wim prange [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:22 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> No, it doesn't. When marked it prints out like "Bla Bla Bla[S123]", so

> the citation-reference is treated like plain text. Also, the citation
> doesn't have anything entered in the "for:-, context:- and
> item:-fields. Maybe that could cause some trouble along the way?
>
> Gr. Wim
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 augustus 2003 16:06
> > Aan:
> > Onderwerp: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
> >
> >
> > Wim,
> >
> > Creative!
> >
> > I don't have an example to test this on, but does the embedded
> > source print with the main citation?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wim prange [mailto:]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
> >
> >
> > Hi Bjarne,
> >
> > You can allready do this :-)
> >
> > On the Evidence-tab, where you can enter the source-text or an
> > abstract; transcript or extract, you can click on the S-icon on the
> > main
> toolbar and
> > create an "embedded citation" to the other source.
> >
> > Gr. Wim
> >
> >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: [mailto:]
> > > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 augustus 2003 9:06
> > > Aan:
> > > Onderwerp: [GENBOX] SOURCE in SOURCE
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > Is it possible, that we in the near future, can have the
> > > posibility to link sources within other sources.
> > >
> > > Quite often, when using books and newspapers as some of your
> > > evidense, they will point to other interesting sources, they have
> > > used in there work, wich
> > > could be nice to reference.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Bjarne:-)
> > >
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