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From: "Paul J. Harris" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Version 3.0.22 Places-Local Site and Leading Modifiers
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:40:30 -0400
In-Reply-To: <008701c33eaf$ff16a960$4240880a@BILLXP>


Hi Bill,

This is a tough one. Seems there are two problems with it. Looks as if a
string of numbers is allowed at the beginning of a Name, as long as it is
followed by a space and capital letter or a capital letter, otherwise it is
considered a modifier. So, even if you allow the "th" in 40th Street to be
part of the name (as I can do by capitalizing the TH), because there is a
space between the address and 40th, the address still gets parsed out as a
leading modifier.

The auto separation of modifiers is a really nice feature of GB, but it IS
very difficult to come up with an every case algorithm. I guess what
surprised me was with the introduction of the Place Magnifier, that leading
modifiers and local site names defined in that dialogue don't "stick." It
would appear that the purpose of the magnifier would be to "override" the
auto parsing and cause the name to "stick." Seems that a name "defined" in
the magnifier gets created, but when selected in a place field gets
automatically "torn" apart.

Perhaps an alternative would be to define a Local Site Name within
delimiters that would not be parsed, i.e., |1066 40th Street|. I guess the
problem is not in the Local Site Name table, but in how that information is
interpreted when displayed in a Local Site field on an Event Record. Maybe
tagging a name created in the magnifier to prevent auto parsing??? But then
there is also the issue of looking at an Event Record and visually
interpreting where the modifier ends and the name begins. Maybe a different
color for the modifier???

Ideas, anyone??

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: William T. Flight [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:33 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GENBOX] Version 3.0.22 Places-Local Site and Leading
Modifiers


Hi Paul,

Your example is one I hadn't considered, thanks.

Hmmm. I could search for "st", "nd", "rd", "th" following a number, as in
"1st", "2nd" , "3rd", "4th Street". If followed by a lowercase word, it
would become a modifier again, as in "the 2nd seat, 4th row, of Fenway
Park".

Anybody know of other "words" used in addresses that begin with numbers?

-- Bill

William T. Flight
http://www.thoughtfulcreations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul J. Harris" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: [GENBOX] Version 3.0.22 Places-Local Site and Leading Modifiers


> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for the update. I immediately focused on the provision for using
> street numbers for Local Site names. I was able to change {386} Prospect
> Avenue to 386 Prospect Avenue and make it stick as a Place Name without a
> problem. However, there is a stickier situation that I'm not sure how to
> resolve:
>
> {406 40th} Street will not convert to 406 40th Street. I think I can get
it
> to:
>
> {406} 40TH Street, but some or all of the numbers are considered Leading
> Modifiers. Apparently the algorithm does not allow for a break in the
number
> series, especially when followed by lower case letters.
>
> If I go the Local Site record and change the name to 406 40th Street, then
> link the record to an Event Place and open the Place Magnifier, it
> automatically parses "406 40th" as the Leading Modifier and "Street" as
the
> Local Site. If I capitalize the TH in 40th to 40TH, then "406" is parsed
as
> the leading modifier and "40TH Street" is the Local Site.
>
> So, it appears that Local Site names can start with numbers, only as long
as
> the next character after a space and the end of the number series is a
> capital letter? I can see why this may be set up this way to accommodate
> phrases such as "2 miles north of the Town House School," but what's a
> fellow to do with the situation I have illustrated above. I have hundreds
of
> addresses in NYC and Brooklyn that are on numbered streets and avenues.
>
> One interim solution is to SPELL OUT the street names so the address is
the
> only number series. If I name the Local Site "406 Fortieth Street,"
> everything works fine, and as expected. However, I would greatly
appreciate
> it if we could look into a satisfactory way to accommodate and address and
> numbered street in the name of a local site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Harris
>
>
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