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From: "Cheri Casper" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Spouse Sources
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:02:48 -0700
In-Reply-To: <FFEBLNNBNENFDKOPJEBPAELDDLAA.paulharris@nc.rr.com>


Paul - The Eastern Idaho Obituary Index often lists the name of the spouse
and that is it--no date, no place. So if I create a marriage event for
Myron C. Casper wherein the only data that I have is the name of the spouse,
Elizabeth Goodwater, I add a citation (I just used the wrong term; you were
supposed to know what I meant) to the spouse name: Elizabeth Goodwater.
But if I change the focus to Elizabeth and look at the marriage event, there
is NO CITATION next to the name of her spouse: Myron C. Casper. I have to
add a separate citation.

NOW if I had a marriage date and added a citation to the marriage date, it
would show for both people. But the citation which reflects the name of the
spouse DOES NOT GENERATE FOR THE SECOND SPOUSE.

This does not make sense. If you have the name of both parties to a
marriage and add a citation to the Spouse Name, then it should automatically
"flip" and appear when the focus is changed. How can you identify by NAME a
given individual's spouse, and then not have the reverse be true?

For the most part, I don't mess with sureties. Didn't in TMG and find that
they are more trouble than they are worth. I started adding them in GB, but
decided against doing so.

CheriC

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:41 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Spouse Sources


Cheri,

Okay

Cheri previously wrote:

>>How could a source confirm the name of a person's spouse and the reverse
would not be true? This seems like a bug to me and that a citation added to
the spouse name should appear on the marriage event irrespective of which
person is the focus.

I believe it is intentional, and not a bug. Remember, you're not adding a
SOURCE, your adding a CITATION, which can have many sources. After reviewing
the information from multiple sources, you have to assign a SURETY to the
CITATION, not the SOURCEs.

In GB, we are able to break citations down to smaller pieces of the puzzle.
In a previous life, you could only have ONE citation to a marriage event,
but had to assign different sureties to the "pieces." This wasn't fair,
because all of the sources to the citation were lumped together, even though
some only contributed a small piece.

Playing devil's advocate, let's say you have a SOURCE, which is a letter
that states, "Last Saturday, my sister, Jolene, married the guy she met at
the county fair last year." Does this document the name of Joline's spouse?
Does it document the name of county fair guy's spouse?

Or, suppose you have a marriage certificate of two people that you think you
know who they are, but one of them you're not quite SURE of. Perhaps, you
have two people in your data that could both be candidates for the position.
You are going to have a different SURETY about this person than the other.
In GB you cannot assign different SURETIES for different elements, you MUST
assign a different CITATION.

Old Way:

1 2 D P M
Source 1 2 2 2 1
Source 2 1 0 1
Source 3 3 3 3 2 2
Source 4 2 1 1 1
Source 5 2 3 2 1

3 3 3 2 2

P1
Source 1 2
Source 2 1
Source 3 3
Source 4 2
Source 5 2

P1 = 3

P2
Source 1 2
Source 2 0
Source 3 3
Source 4 1
Source 5 3

P2 = 3

Date
Source 1 2
Source 2 1
Source 3 3
Source 4 1
Source 5 2

Date = 3

Place
Source 1 1
Source 2
Source 3 2
Source 4
Source 5 1

Place = 2

Memo
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3 2
Source 4 1
Source 5

Memo = 2

If a source is complete, such as a marriage certificate, why cite the spouse
name at all? Just cite the overall event if everything in the event came
from the source. If you have evidence that a couple lived together AS man
and wife, but the evidence does not support he marriage EVENT, itself, then
you can cite the SPOUSE field on the Family Tab. That one WILL show up in
either spouse view. I have found myself using that one for census records to
document that they were MARRIED, but not document the marriage ceremony.
Seems to work well for me.

Any of this discussion make sense? Perhaps not, I need to go to bed.

Good night,

Paul



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