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From: "wim prange" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Nuances of Places
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:17:47 +0200
In-Reply-To: <CHEMKKAJHOKJPIEOPLKDMEHMDPAA.clcasper@sprynet.com>


CheriC - I'm wondering what you are doing. When I create a namevariant for
Merriam and start typing Kansas in the higher level, GB never gives me
Johnson Co. in Kansas. Otherwise this might be a nice ‘feature’ :-). I fill
in a new Location, give it Netherlands as the higher place and GB
automatically tells me in which city, township and province it is located...
But alas, that doesn't work in my file.

What I think you were doing is: went to the Local Site and tried creating a
Name-Variant in the Higher Place-field there, instead of in the 'native
record' of Merriam. At the moment this doesn't work. First you have to
create the name-variant for the higher place and then you can assign that to
another location. I think your method should also work in the end (it would
create a new record for Merriam, separate from the existing one), but at the
moment that's not the case.

Gr. Wim


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
> Verzonden: maandag 2 juni 2003 5:41
> Aan:
> Onderwerp: RE: [GENBOX] Nuances of Places
>
>
> Paul - This is what I was trying to do to create the place in the first
> place. Open up the Places. Find Merriam, Johnson Co., Kansas.
> Then go to
> the Names tab for Merriam and try to make a name variant of
> Merriam, Kansas.
> GB kept sticking the "Johnson Co." in there no matter how much I tried to
> keep it out of the variant.
>
> I do not have commas for missing places turned on, nor do I want to. I
> don't to have to remember how many missing place levels I have.
> I have not
> ever in my genealogy experience had to do this and I don't want to have to
> figure this out at this late juncture. And I don't want to have
> to type in
> a bunch of commas as I enter date and do the "mental math" to
> figure out how
> many I need.
>
> I am about to the point where I don't give a d**n about what GB does with
> places behind the scenes. If I end up with 15 separate places that are
> Merriam, Kansas or variations thereof, what is the difference. The bottom
> line for me it output.
>
> I still think it would be a WHOLE lot easier if each place level
> had its own
> separate field for data entry when adding an Event. No guesswork, no
> extraneous commas, whatever required.
>
> CheriC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Harris [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:16 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Nuances of Places
>
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Given the setup you have below, I see at least two ways to get to
> the proper
> combination of linked places (name):
>
> 1. As you type "Merriam" into the Place field of an Event, you
> probably get
> an auto-completion by GB that includes the county. As long as the
> other Name
> variation exists, continue typing the EXACT format of the other variation
> until IT auto-completes. IOW, after "Merriam" add a comma-space-comma (to
> represent the empty Township field), THEN space-comma (to represent the
> 'empty' County field in the other name variation that you want), THEN
> space-K-a-n-s-a-s. At some point it should auto-complete to the variation
> you are looking for.
>
> 2. Another, perhaps easier and less confusing, option is to start with an
> empty Place field and double click to bring up the Place Search
> View. Start
> typing "Merriam" and it will filter down to matching variations
> showing the
> higher place links (very helpful):
>
> Merriam, , Johnson Co., Kansas
> Merriam, , , Kansas
>
> Now select the one you want to return to the Event View. No muss, no fuss.
> You see ahead of time exactly what you are getting.
>
> Do you have "Show commas for missing levels" turned on in
> Preferences/Names?
> If not, that may "help" you see the structure of place
> relationships in the
> data fields.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:54 PM
> To:
> Subject: [GENBOX] Nuances of Places
>
>
> What I STILL don't get is how to make a place appear absent the county.
>
> I have this:
>
> City/Town = Merriam
> Higher Place = Johnson Co., Kansas
>
> There is a name variant for the place that is Merriam, Kansas (without the
> Johnson County).
>
> When I add a new Local Site, I want it to just be Shawnee Mission
> Rural High
> School, Merriam, Kansas. The county creeps in no matter what I
> do. This is
> the part that perpetually perplexes me. Even though there is a
> name variant
> without the county name for the city/town, why can't I create a Local Site
> attached to that city/town that doesn't have the county thrown
> in. I don't
> get it, I don't get it, I don't get it. Nor do I want to have to make a
> name variant for the school that I will never use.
>
> For the most part, I would just prefer that counties go away all together
> although I do like them attached to the city/town for reference purposes.
> But for display and reports, NO. That is another reason why I
> would prefer
> a separate field for each part of a place level. If I omitted the county
> name, I would expect the name to NOT display the omitted level.
> Alternatively, the ability to add any place level at the Event level and
> suppress it from EVER PRINTING.
>
> Sheesh. Why is this so difficult?
>
> CheriC
>
>
>
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