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From: "Cheri Casper" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Names & Other Stuff
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:54:40 -0800
In-Reply-To: <3E81775A@twigger.nl>


Wim - But this requires you to use a source & citation. What if you don't
want to do so or don't have one? I have two aunts who were *never* called
by their birth name. While I would like their birth name to show for the
birth event, for all other events I would like to use the names they went
by. Without a citation, I can't do that unless I hard type their names into
the sentences structure directly but that isn't the best option.

CheriC



-----Original Message-----
From: wim prange [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:27 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Names & Other Stuff


David, CheriC

This is exactly what you can do on the Citation View.
In the eventswindow you choose the individual (as parent, child, spouse or
other); on the citationwindow you choose the name used in the source
(because
a specific name is always related to a source).

I would prefer to keep these choices separated for the following reasons:
When I had to choose a name on the events tab (there is always a default,
preferred, name) that could be misunderstood as the sourcename. Besides:
what
happens when you change the preferred name later?
The current approach allows you to specify how you want your reports to
print:
only with preferred names or with sourcenames.
It would be much more difficult to choose the correct individual between all
those namevariants.
What would you do when you found two or more ('circumstancial') sources for
one event with different names for the individuals involved?

Wim

>===== Original Message From David <> =====
>Yep, that is exactly what I have been asking for but so far no luck.
>David
>
>
>------ Original Message ------
>On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:46:03 -0800, Cheri Casper wrote:
>David, Wim - Perhaps what is needed is the option to be able to pick
>the
>desired name from the list of Identifiers on an event-by-event basis.
>CheriC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David [mailto:]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:59 PM
>To:
>Subject: RE: [GENBOX] Names & Other Stuff
>
>
>Sorry Wim,
>
>Must be my failing eyesight. <g>
>OK, looks like GENBOX may not work for me as I must have the names
>placed (and formatted) as I want them and not as GENBOX wants them.
><g>
>
>Oh well, it looked like a great program for awhile. Back to Legacy.
>
>David
>
>
>------ Original Message ------
>On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:38:46 +0100, wim prange wrote:
>Hi David,
>
>When you're creating an event for a person you can enter (or choose,
>if it
>allready exists) the name you want to use for this particular event
>on the
>Names tab of the Citation View. When you enter a different name for
>the person
>there will be an extra "Name Variant" on the Identifiers page. This
>has to be
>done for every event for which you don't want to use the "preferred"
>name, you
>can not tell Genbox to use a particular names depending on a certain
>time
>range or a certain context.
>I think it will be impossible to let Genbox to do this automatically,
>there
>are a lot of different "customs" for this internationally and these
>customs
>have changed over time as well.
>
>I haven't used the "alternative names" feature untill now, just
>played with it
>once very briefly and there seemed to be some difficulties in the
>(narrative)
>reports. It seemed to take the Preferred Name for someone's own
>narrative,
>when the person was referred to as the "Other" or the "Spouse" it
>seemed to
>use the "Citation Name". When we discussed this earlier Bill stepped
>in and
>announced that he planned to add [P+], [S+], [O+] to force a full
>name output.
>
>I haven't tested this "alternative names" extensively. I'll need to
>'format'
>my file to the way Genbox wants it first and put all the appropiate
>info at
>the appropiate places. Second, there are a lot of options for the
>Name-field
>on the Identifier-tab in Reports. Haven't figured out yet what kind
>of effect
>all these different options have on the report.
>
>Wim (not William :-))
>
> [-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> [Van: David [mailto:]
> [Verzonden: dinsdag 18 maart 2003 18:18
> [Aan:
> [Onderwerp: RE: [GENBOX] Names & Other Stuff
> [
> [
> [William,
> [
> [I tried your suggestion (because I have a major problem with how
> [GEDBOX handles female married names) and your suggestion apparently
> [doesn't solve my problem with multiple marriage SURNAMES.
> [
> [For example, I want (in my database) the female person to have the
> [SURNAME of the person she married from the time she married him
>until
> [she gets married again. At that time, it is my opinion, that her
>new
> [SURNAME should be the same as the second person she married etc.
>etc.
> [
> [Any suggestions on how we can choose the name we want GEDBOX to
> [assign to family events following a marriage?
> [
> [Thanks,
> [David
> [
> [
> [On 18 Mar 2003 at 7:44, wim prange wrote:
> [
> [> [ I was also wondering how people use all of the Identifiers.
> [> [ Which "label"
> [> [ are you using for married names? It would be handy to have a
> [> [ "married name"
> [> [ option to make consistency easier to achieve. I just haven't
> [> [ figured out a
> [> [ consistent way to use all of the identifiers as they relate to
> [> married [ names, variant spellings of the surname, etc. Does
>anyone
> [> have any great [ ideas on this to share? [ [ CheriC
> [>
> [>
> [> Hi Cheric,
> [>
> [> In Event Template create a new event. For instance:
> [> Tag: MARNAME;
> [> Secondary: Identifier;
> [> Name: Married name;
> [> Class: Family Start;
> [> Identifier: Other Name;
> [> etc.
> [>
> [> Save this event with the help of the disk-icon.
> [>
> [> When you create an event for someone, her name will now show on
>the
> [> Identifier-tab with "Other Name" as Identifier Type.
> [>
> [> Wim
> [David
> [E-mail:
> [
> [
> [
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