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Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] BruceKramer-Hamilton/CincinnatiOhio1956-1987
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:59:29 +0000
If I know Ilene, she would probably throw it out. The memory is so painful still, its one of the reasons its hard for her to just sit down and start in one area. Her mother probably had it, and when her dad died he was in Hospice. He himself may have thrown in out, not seeing a need for it when they cleaned out the house. I'll ask though. Their mother was killed in an auto accident by a drunk driver in Texas I think it was just a couple of years later than Bruce's death.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Lisa Lepore" <>
> I can understand that AT&T would give out the names of
> the people to you, but they might be willing to post something
> in their employee newsletter, post a flyer in a break room, post
> a message on their employee website if they have such a thing.
> I think you would only need to say that his family would like to
> contact any fellow employees who might remember him.
> Does someone in the family have the book from the funeral
> home? If you can get hold of that, you might find the names
> and addresses of his co-workers.
> What about schools? You might find more of his friends at
> classmates.com or the high school/college alumni pages of
> whatever schools he attended.
> Just now, I looked at ancestry.com and found what appears to
> be his death certificate - I'll send it to you off list. FYI, it says
> he was divorced.
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Bruce
> > Thanks Lisa,
> > We are waiting to see what the newspaper archive department turns up. I
> > posted just previously to another writer, so I'll leave you to read that
> > one to know where we are. I also thought of AT & T. Trying to figure a way
> > to approach it. I can imagine a personell director might raise an eyebrow
> > on my request.
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Lisa Lepore"
> >> One suggestion would be to contact ATT in Cincinnati and see if there
> >> are any of his co-workers/friends still working there who might know
> >> something about this woman. Since he didn't confide in his family,
> >> maybe his friends will know more.
> >> Also, contact the funeral home. It's possible they have this woman's
> >> name in their records.
> >> Have you checked the newspaper? There were probably some articles
> >> about his death, and maybe one of them mentioned this woman or the
> >> baby?
> >> Look through the birth announcements in the local paper for the baby's
> >> birth. If there are any single parent births, maybe you can find these
> >> women?
> >> Lisa
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:08 PM
> >> Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Bruce Kramer-Hamilton/Cincinnati
> >> Ohio1956-1987
> >> > Hello all,
> >> >
> >> > The above mentioned person, Bruce Kramer, was the brother of a friend
> >> > of
> >> > mine. Bruce died at a young age, shot and killed while changing the
> >> > door
> >> > lock of an upstairs neighbor by an abusive spouse, who then killed his
> >> > wife, then himself.
> >> >
> >> > Bruce had a child, a son, born just a few months before his death. To
> >> > his
> >> > sister Ilene's knowledge, they were not a couple, but good friends.
> >> > Bruce
> >> > was also very excited to be a father. It is unfortuante that Bruce's
> >> > family was so distraught at the time of his death that they did not
> >> > accord
> >> > this woman any comfort. The only time the family saw the baby was when
> >> > she
> >> > brought her son with her to the cemetary, and they turned her away.
> >> >
> >> > Bruce's parents were Jewish and old fashioned. They were upset that, in
> >> > their minds, the child was not born into a loving relationship. It was
> >> > hard for them to see past this arrangement that was made between Bruce
> >> > and
> >> > this woman, whom they were told was Lesbian. I hate saying "her" or
> >> > "this
> >> > woman" but Ilene and her brothers don't know her name. She tried in
> >> > vain
> >> > to write to Bruce's parents, but they threw the letters away, and
> >> > refused
> >> > to talk about it with the other remaining children.
> >> >
> >> > Bruce's siblings would like to meet with this young man who should be
> >> > 21
> >> > or close to adult age by this writing (March 18, 2007). Try to make up
> >> > for
> >> > the sadness and grief that was caused so long ago. We have nothing to
> >> > go
> >> > on about who she was or where they met or even what the child was
> >> > called.
> >> > Bruce worked for AT&T in Cincinnati at the time of his death. He died
> >> > in
> >> > the spring of 1987, approx. 30-31 years of age.
> >> >
> >> > If this story is familiar to anyone, can help us find Bruce Kramer's
> >> > son
> >> > and his mother we would appreciate it very much and they can reach them
> >> > through me at this address.
> >> >
> >> > D. Leonard
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