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From: "Carpenter, Charles" <>
Subject: RE: Amie de Gaveston Rebuttal - Part 4: A Damsel's Life
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:49:14 -0500

I've wondered why it was that Piers was made Earl of Cornwall, rather than
being given some other title and source of income. Purely random? Or
assuming a relationship between Claramunde and Constance de Marsan, is the
family connection described by Paul below the most plausible basis for this
choice? Or is there something else?

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Subject: Re: Amie de Gaveston Rebuttal - Part 4: A Damsel's Life

In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:46:10 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> Is there any reason to think the stiff had the name Piers
> if there is no other documented Piers at the time, and the
> inscription was never completed?
> taf

Though the name Piers appears on the monument twice (apparently - it is
claimed it was difficult to make out or be certain), the arms show it was
tomb of a Gabaston knight who served on crusade, and also had the arms of
Piers, so both that of the father and son. If Piers was son of Arnaud, who
is known to have been buried at Winchester in May 1302, there is no room for

any elder Piers. Arnaud is known from wardrobe accounts to be buried at
Winchester, and Piers is known to be brother of his son and heir

What I posted shows that Piers de Gaveston, Earl of Cornwall (Piers was
referred to in other parts of this complaint), was brother of
Arnaud-Guillaume de Marsan, seneschal of the Agenais, an important region on

the eastern border of the Duchy of Aquitaine. They were sons of Arnad de
Gabaston by his wife Claramonde de Marsan. Aside from Piers being
as the meddling Earl of Cornwall, chronology here precludes two Piers.

Arnaud de Gabaston first appears in record in 1269, when he gave homage and
swore fealty to Gaston VII, Vicomte de Bearn, at the marriage of his senior
daughter and coheir Constance de Marsan to Henry d'Allemagne, son of
Earl of Cornwall, King of the Romans (son of King John Lackland).

Arnaud, seigneur of Gabaston, one of the twelve hereditary baronies of Bearn

which constituted the "cour majour" of Bearn, married Claramonde de Marsan
1272, in which year they declared their debt to Edward I. She brought the
important castles/bastides of Louvigny, Roquefort-de-Marsan,
Montgaillard-des-Tursan, Sauveterre-de-Bearn and Chalosse in marriage to
Arnaud (worth 100 l. sterling per annum). Her father Arnaud-Guillaume had
died in that year. Her brother Fortaner was seigneur of Lescun, another of
the 12 hereditary baronies.

There is no evidence of any Piers de Gabaston in this family earlier than
Earl of Cornwall, who was nephew of Pierre Caillau of Bordeaux (he and his
cousin Jean Caillau turned over Bordeaux to the English in 1302-3).

Arnaud-Guillaume de Bearn who married Marie, heiress of the barony of
Gabaston (daughter of an Arnaud-Guillaume), was one of at least five
illegitimate sons of Gaston VII, Vicomte de Bearn.

Piers "the elder" was a mistaken invention of the Polistoire, the author of
which even admitted that he was told Piers was son of someone bearing the
same name - not that it was firsthand knowledge.



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