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Subject: Re: Amie de Gaveston Rebuttal
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:00:54 EST


Richard C. Browning, Jr. wrote;

<snip>
> John Browning, b. abt. 1335 married Alice Maltravers, daughter of Sir
> John de Maltravers and Joan, daughter and sole Heir of Sire Lawrence de
> Sandford, and as said in the Visitation "hereof it cometh that Browning
> beareth Sandford's Arms".
>
> The first instance I found of these arms, Azure Three Bars Wavy Argent,
> is Henry de Sandford, Bishop of Rochester, 1227-25. From A GLOSSARY OF
> TERMS USED IN HERALDRY" by JAMES PARKER,
>
> The descendants of John Browning and Alice Maltravers carried these arms
> through the 17th Century.
>
> The blazon given in the visitation to Joan de Sandford is "Drawing of an
> impaled coat:- Dexter fretty, sinister bary wavy of six. Inscribed
> Johane de Sandford." These arms are Maltravers, Sable Fretty Or and
> Sandford Azure Barry Wavy of Six Argent.
>
>
> Grand Prairie, TX
>
>
>


The arms of Sir Anthony Browne (1500-1548), (father of 1st Viscount Montague)
as on his tomb at the Church at Battle, also includes the Maltravers shield
from another daughter of John de Maltravers (I guess this is the same John de
Maltravers as in your post). These arms include a number of other families,
but some do not follow the rules of quartering in that they derive from
females who were not heiresses.

The quarterings, with Browne, are

Maltravers
Fitzalan
Monthermer
Montacute
Nevil
de la Pole
de Bradeston
de Burgh
Ingalthorpe
Tiotoft
Cherleton (of Powis)
de Holland

One Shield is also quarterd with that of his wife (Gage quartering St Clere)

The following (in fixed font) shows the relationshipts to the above families
(I have assumed the FitzAlan arms came from Ellenor Fitzalan* of Betchworth,
but it could have come from Alice d of RICHARD FITZALAN 10Er ARUNDEL):


+-?ROBERT BROWNE; Sir
+-THOMAS BROWNE; Sir c1410-1460 Ex
¦ +-Agnus ????
+-ANTHONY BROWNE; Sir c1438-1506
¦ ¦ +-JOHN FITZALAN Ld MALTRAVERS -1379
¦ ¦ +-JOHN FITZALAN 1365-1391
¦ ¦ ¦ +-Eleanor Maltravers* d&ch of JOHN Ld MALTRAVERS
¦ ¦ +-THOMAS FITZALAN; Sir of Betchworth
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-EDWARD le DESPENCER, Knt, Ld DESPENCER
¦ ¦ ¦ +-Elizabeth d of HUGH le DESPENCER
¦ ¦ ¦ +-Elizabeth d&h of BARTHOLOMEW DE BURGHERSH Ld B
¦ +-Ellenor Fitzalan* of Betchworth
¦ ¦ +-Henry Moyne
¦ +-Joan Moyne
-ANTHONY BROWNE; Sir 1500-1548
¦ +-JOHN NEVILL 3Bn NEVILL of Ruby & Branndpeth[?] -1388
¦ +-RALPH NEVILL Er WESTMORLAND
¦ ¦ ¦ +-HENRY de PERCY 2Bn PERCY
¦ ¦ +-Maud de Percy
¦ +-RICHARD NEVILL Er SALISBURY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-EDWARD II (1284-1327)
¦ ¦ ¦ +-EDWARD III 1312-1377
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Isabel d of Philip IV of France
¦ ¦ ¦ +-JOHN of GAUNT
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-WILLIAM Ct HOLLAND
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Philippa of Hainault
¦ ¦ +-Joan de Beaufort 1379-1440
¦ ¦ ¦ +-PAYNE ROET; Sir (see below)
¦ ¦ +-Catherine Roet (m1 Sir Hugh Swynford (1350-1403))
¦ +-JOHN NEVILL Mq MONTAGUE -1471 br to RICHARD the kingmaker
¦ ¦ ¦ +-WILLIAM DE MONTACUTE 3Bn MONTACUTE, Er SALISBURY
¦ ¦ ¦ +-JOHN DE MONTACUTE; Sir 1Bn MONTHERMER
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Catherine d of William Ld Grandison
¦ ¦ ¦ +-JOHN DE MONTACUTE 3Er SALISBURY Bn MONTACUTE & 2Bn MONTHERMER
(-1400)
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-THOMAS Ld MONTHERMER (1301-1340 Bat of Sluys)
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Margaret Monthermer* (1329-1394/5) d&h
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Margaret (?m1 Henry Teyes Ld Teyes/Tyeys (-1321Ex))
¦ ¦ ¦ +-THOMAS MONTACUTE 4Er SALISBURY
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-ADAM FRANCIS; Sir of London
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Maud Francis
¦ ¦ +-Alice Montacute* d&h
¦ ¦ ¦ +-GEOFFREY CHAUCER, the poet 1340-1400
¦ ¦ +-Alice Chaucer m2 WILLIAM de la POLE
¦ ¦ ¦ +-PAYN ROET; Sir
¦ ¦ +-Philippa Roet 1348-1387
+-Lucy Nevil* d& ch to br (m1 Sir THOMAS FITZWILLIAM)
¦ +-THOMAS INGALTHORPE of Borough Green, Camps
¦ +-EDMUND INGALTHORPE; Sir decendent of THOMAS de BRADESTON -1360
¦ ¦ ¦ +-WALTER DE LA POLE, (-1433/4) Knt of Trumpington, Camps
¦ ¦ +-Margaret de la Pole* d&h
¦ ¦ ¦ +-Sir ROBERT de BRADESTON (-c1356)
¦ ¦ ¦ +-Sir THOMAS de BRADESTON 2Bn BRADESTON
¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ +-Isabel d of Sir WILLIAM DE LA POLE
¦ ¦ +-Elizabeth de Bradeston* (c1374-1428/9) d&h
¦ ¦ +-Adela de Burgh*
+-Isabel/Elizabeth Ingalthorpe* d&ch (-1476); (m2 1472 Sir William
Norreys)
¦ +-JOHN TYBOTOT/TIBETOT Ld TYBOTOT
¦ +-Sir Payn TYBETOT
¦ ¦ +-Elizabeth d of Sir ROBERTASPALL (she m1? JOHN DE WAUTON)
¦ +-JOHN TIBETOT/TEPTOFT Ld TIPTOFT (-1442/3) (m1 Philippe Talbot
¦ ¦ +-Agnes d of JOHN WROTH of Enfield, Midx
+-Joan Tiotoft* d& ch of her Br John Tibetot/Tiptoft Er WORCESTER
¦ +-JOHN CHERLETON Ld CHERLETON (1334-1374)
¦ +-EDWARD CHERLETON Ld C (-1420/1)fudal ld of Powis (m2 Ez. Berkeley)
¦ ¦ +-Joan d of RALPH DE STAFFORD Er STAFFORD
+-Joyce Cherleton* yr d&ch
¦ +-THOMAS DE HOLAND Er Kent
+-Eleanor de Holland* (-1405) d&h in her issue (m1 ROGER DE MORTIMER
Er MARCH)
+-Alice d of RICHARD FITZALAN 10Er ARUNDEL


Adrian


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