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Subject: Re: Payn de Beauchamp
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:47:14 +1300
In-Reply-To: <3C595202.90900@arches.uga.edu>


Dear Bill

The following pedigree is extracted from "The Beauchamps, Barons of Bedford" by
C. Gore Chambers and C. Herbert Fowler published in the Bedford Historical
Record Society Pub, v.1 pp.1-25 and tallies with the descent of the barony of
Bedford as outlined in Sanders' English Baronies p. 10. I've extended the pedigree
beyond the focus of your question for use in the archives.

1. Hugh de Beauchamp d c. 1100
+ Matilda
2.Simon de Beauchamp, King's Steward, 1st Baron d. by 1138
3.daughter
+ Hugh "pauper" bro. of Waleraund Earl of Meulan
2.Robert de Beauchamp
3.Miles de Beauchamp, alive 1141/2 d.s.p.
3.Payne de Beauchamp marr c 1143, dead by 1155/6
+ Rohese de Vere, Countess of Essex, da of Aubrey de Vere,
widow of Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st earl of Essex
4.Simon de Beauchamp, suc 1164/5, d. by 1206/7
+ Isabella
5.William de Beauchamp suc 1206/7 d.1260
+ (1) Gunnora, d by 1207 da of William de
Lanvelay and Haweise de Bocland
6.John de Beauchamp d. by 1232
7. Son and heir d. by 1234/5 s.p.
+ (2) Ida, d.c.1263, da of William Longespee,
widow of Ralph de Somery.
6.Simon de Beauchamp d.1256
+ Isabella
7. Joan d c.1266
6.William de Beauchamp d.1262 s.p.
+ Amice d.c.1278
6.John de Beauchamp d.s.p.1265
6.Matilda de Beauchamp
+ Roger de Mowbray had issue
6.Ela de Beauchamp d. bef 1266/7
+ Baldwin Wake had issue
6.Beatrice de Beauchamp
+ Thomas Fitz Otho had issue

The barony of Bedford was divided between the issue of the three sisters, Matilda,
Ela and Beatrice. Hope this is of use to you.

Cheers

Rosie


On 31 Jan 2002 at 9:17, Bill Prokasy wrote:

Date forwarded: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:18:53 -0700
Date sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:17:38 -0500
From: Bill Prokasy <>
Subject: Payn de Beauchamp
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> Who are the parents of Payn de Beauchamp who married Rohese de Vere?
>
> What I have is:
>
> 1 Payn de Vere, (d. 1156)
> *Rohese de Vere (abt 1109-aft 1166)
>
> 2. Robert de Beauchamp
> 3. ?
>
> 4 Hugh de Beauchamp (d. abt 1114)
>
> Hugh apparently had a son named Payn, and I have seen some sources
> that have Rohese de Vere as marrying that Payn, rather than Hugh's
> grandson Payn. Any information and sources on this would be
> appreciated.
>
> Bill
>
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