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From: "John R. Clarke" <>
Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:37:33 -0500
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Jeff,
As I tried to explain to earlier, I look at things a little differently
than others. First, I never except what is written in some family book as
Gospel, regardless of the statue of the author. Even Judge Folks HUXFORD
in his "Pioneers of Wire Grass Georgia," as well as his editor of the
Georgia Genealogical Society, made many, many mistakes, some of which we are
now uncovering, especially in the Thomas DANIEL and Elizabeth LANIER line
out of Tyrell County, NC. I am sure the Judge did his best with the
information he had available to him when he make decisions as to "who was
descended from whom."
In my humble opinion, most family genealogical books, especially ones
from the last century or before, should be placed in the fiction instead of
the non-fiction categories. I have yet to see one of these books that did
not link the subject family to some famous personage, president, royalty and
the like, whether this was the case or not.
We are now finding these stories are just that, stories. The same goes
for many early local history books because the author's intent was to "sell
books" and they did so by getting information from local families and
putting it in print, whether it was true or not was immaterial. Now, many
of these statements are considered as fact, when they are often not. Do not
forget the old rule, in the "biggest lie, there is some grain of truth."
Otherwise, it would not be believable. <grin>
I use several simple rules concerning "who was attached to whom" in the
absence of actual documentary evidence. One of these is, "it must make
sense" because if it does not make sense, today, it sure did not make sense
back then. Another is, "more often than not children married cousins of
some variety or the girl, next door." In my TOMLINSON family it almost is
incest how closely they intermarried and I am sure this happened in lots of
other families as the parents tried to "keep the money and property in the
family." <grin> Such, was usually the case with most families of money,
property and status, such as the TOMLINSONS.
When faced with a conflict as to "whom a certain person married" and
"from which family they were from," I try to look at their collaterals and
see where they point. For an example, let's say, we have a DANIEL, WISE and
TAYLOR families that were collateral in VA, later in NC and still later in
GA, I usually assume, in the absence of other documentary information, they
were the same general families because families migrated in groups and their
children usually married into these same family groups.
Some people tend to forget that before WW II, parents often made the
decision as to who their kids married and not the bride or the groom. The
earlier you get, the greater this tendency. In some families they married
for money, some for property, some for status and in very rare instances,
love. <grin> Divorce, back then, was rather rare but they really did not
need that many divorces because the poor state of medical knowledge often
allowed husbands to marry quite often. Also, the hardships and diseases
faced by all, often allowed many wives to outlive their husbands and marry
again, usually to somewhat better circumstances. So, it was often a two way
street but I think there were far more wives were lost in child birth than
husbands were lost to other causes, if my family is any example.
I guess what I am saying, is you try to take the information you do
know, combine it with the best information you have at hand and make a
decision which seems to fit this information. You may be wrong, you may be
right but more often than not, you find that you were somewhere in between.
Genealogical research is not a question as to who is "right or wrong,"
because in most instances all of us will be found somewhat wrong when the
final facts are in. This is why DNA research has taken over such importance
in tracing families in the last few years. However, one problem faced by
DNA research is all of the bad genealogical information that is out there.
In that, one person assumes they are from one family line when, in fact,
they are from another.
I predict that in the next few years, as more and more persons are
tested we are going to see many, many oft held family myths fall by the
wayside as DNA research takes over a more prominent position in genealogical
research. Hopefully, it will also be less expensive than it is today -
about $100 for a 10 marker test. I can only participate in the DNA research
for one family, my father's, so I cannot help the DANIEL family in their
research because I do not carry a DANIEL "Y" chromosome. However, if you
are faced with a stone wall and wonder from which family you descend, DNA
analysis may help to settle any questions you might have.
Clarke's last rule, genealogical research is not personal. No one is
casting dispersions on you, your family or your ancestors if their
information disagrees with yours. Genealogical research is history, more
so than anything else, and with any discipline, such as this, there is
always some amount of dispute as to the facts. Don't you just love it?
<grin>
John R. Clarke
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Richardson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> For what it's worth, my personal opinion is that anything one passes along
> over the internet is done so as a personal courtesy. I would not take
> anything I find on the internet as "fact" until I had personally
documented
> it. However, the fact that lots of people out there do such research
> provides us with good "leads" to chase down with our own documentation.
> Without these leads, we are faced with seemingly insurmountable searches
on
> what for all of us are scores of family lines when you get back a hundred
or
> two years. So I don't want people to hesitate sharing what they think
they
> know because it hasn't passed the Mayflower Society's muster.
>
> In general, I think it's nice to embed whatever information one passes
along
> in the context of whatever uncertainties surround it. However, I assume
> whatever anyone shares is their best knowledge of the facts, but not to be
> taken as gospel unless they provide the source documentation. Which I
would
> pursue in a follow up email to the author if it was my family and I wanted
> to know more or, if I had information to the contrary, I would say "My
> information is different - here it is, and here's why I think it's right."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eldon Wade" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
>
>
> > Hi John,
> > I never contented that there was a documented direct tie between Pliney
> > WADE and the WADEs in Greene Co GA. I simply said I believed that
> > Pliney was the father of the Edward who married Mary CLEMENTS and
> > eventually ended up in Greene Co GA.
> >
> > So you don't think anyone in the Revolutionary War was in their 50's?
> > John there were many patriots in the Rev. War that were in their 50's
> > and some even older. Our circumstances and standards today and their
> > circumstances and standards in those days were very different. Today we
> > have the luxury of choosing (for the most part) whether we want to go to
> > some foreign place and fight a war for America. In the Revolutionary
> > War you were either a patriot or a loyalist. Neighbor against neighbor
> > and you were forced to participate.
> > By the way, it is great that you are 57 and served in the RVN. I am 60
> > years old and I spent 15 months with the 1st Marine Division on the DMZ
> > which if you recall was the hotbed division between South and North
> > Vietnam.
> >
> > Probably the most noted researcher of this line of WADEs is Ophelia WADE
> > (whom you quoted below). If you read her complete book you would see
> > that Ophelia concluded that Pliney is most likely the father of the
> > Edward who married Mary CLEMENTS.
> > Most people who have researched this line to any extent at all recognize
> > Ophelia as the authority.
> >
> > Lastly, you are certainly entitled to believe whomever or whatever you
> > choose but when one passes info on to another researcher I still assert
> > that as a courtesy you have a duty to put the person on guard that there
> > are differ viewpoints on the accuracy of the data you are passing on.
> >
> > Eldon
> > mailto:
> > Researching: WADE, HAMES
> >
> >
> > Eldon,
> > I looked that the Pliney WADE material at World Connect but I did
> > not see anything that made it connect to Morgan or even Greene County,
> > GA. I did not see any CLEMENTS or CLEMONS in any of the four GEDCOMS
> > that include Pliney WADE, son of Edward III. However, they did say
> > Pliney had a son name Edward born 21 Apr 1726 which is well within the
> > time frame for your Edward but they did not list any marriage for this
> > Edward WADE.
> > I then looked back at the Robert WADE and Elizabeth HAMPTON material
> > and it reads like a Who's-Who" of Madison, GA. The STOKES, the PRYORS,
> > the BENNETS, the KILPATRICKS, the SCOTTS of Putnam, just to name a few.
> > As for "their Edward" dying in the RW, these folks were much too old
> > to be out fighting in any revolution. War is a young man's game, as it
> > was in my generation - RVN. These folks were all over 50 at the time of
> > the RW and I am 57 and I sure do not have the will left in me to fight
> > in another one.
> > <grin> I am sure they felt much the same way at their age......
> >
> > John R. Clarke
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John R. Clarke [mailto:]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:08 AM
> > To: Eldon Wade
> > Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> >
> >
> > Eldon,
> > Thought you would be interested in these notes if you do not already
> > have them. I do agree with this person on "who were the parents of
> > Edward." basically because of the later collateral connections among the
> > family of Robert and Elizabeth. Also, Edward did live in Pittsylvania
> > County, VA and this is right next to Halifax, where Robert lived and
> > while this is no firm proof as to his parents, it is a lot closer than a
> > parent back in York or Elizabeth City County, VA. I have also included
> > the vestry listings for Pliney at the bottom of this information.
> > Edward III actually did not live in York County, VA. He lived in
> > Elizabeth City County, VA and all of his children, including Pliney,
> > were christened, there...
> > Don't you just love genealogy? <grin>
> >
> >
> > >>>
> > There is some contention on who are the parents of Edward Wade, Sr. I
> > hold that it is Robert Wade, Sr, m to Elizabeth Hampton. The other
> > faction is sure that the parents are Plany Ward, m to Mary. At this time
> > [31 Mar 2002] we are unsure of who is right. More research is definitely
> > called for. [Mary Glenda Langford Mitchell Forrester].
> >
> > BIOGRAPHY: From "The Wade Book", by Ophelia Wade:
> > "Tithables of Pittsylvania Co, VA, in 1767, lists Edward Wade and a
> > Negro named Pegg, 2 tithes and 200 acres of land. "On 20 Oct 1768,
> > Edward Wade sells to Stephen Bennett, 226 acres of land on both sides of
> > Frying Pan Creek, in Pittsylvania Co, VA. This land is adjacent ot James
> > Wade and Christopher Sutton. The price was ten pounds of Virginia money,
> > low enough to make the transaction evident as a gift. The witnesses were
> > Benjamin Clement, Joshua Abstone and Thomas Robertson. The Bennetts sell
> > this land in 1778. "In May, 1772, Edward Wade was a witness to the witt
> > of James Waldrope in Pittsylvania Co, VA. "The office of the Clerk of
> > the Circuit Court at Chatham, Pittsylvania Co, VA, had an old manuscript
> > which listed the names of persons who took the Oath of Allegience in
> > 1777, as members of a company of militis commanded by Wm Witcher, found
> > also in Hennings Statutes vol 9, p 281-283, judgement 4-15. Included
> > among the list of names are Edward Wade, Sr, Daniel Wade, Stephen
> > Bennett, Edward Wade, Jr, and Peyton Wade. "This constitutes the father,
> > Edward Sr, two sons, Edward and Peyton, and a son-in-law Stephen
> > Bennett. I do not know who the Daniel Wade was. The original manuscript
> > cannot be found, but it is believed that the name David was transcribed
> > as the name Daniel. This is very easy to do, especially in the old faded
> > handwriting. "The 1782 Heads of Families census of Pittsylvania Co, VA,
> > listed Edward Wade with five whites, Peyton Wade with four whites, and
> > Bryant W Nowling with thirteen whites and three blacks. "The government
> > began awarding land to its military soldiers, and Edward Wade, David
> > Wade, Stephen Easley, B W Nowlin, Stephen Bennett received grants in
> > Sullivan Co, TN, and the entire family moved there, probably in the fall
> > of 1782. "Edward Wade received 35 acres on Jarroth Branch. David Wade
> > received 100 acres on Holstein River adjoining John Bailey's lines and
> > 100 acres adjoining his own land. Stephen Easley received 500 acres on
> > Horse Creek, 300 acres on Horse Creek of Holstein River, and 320 acres
> > on the east side of George Ridley's survey. Bryant Ward Nowlin received
> > 640 acres on the waters of Holstein River and 200 acres on Jarroth
> > branch. Stephen Bennett received 150 acres on the flat branch of Horse
> > Swamp. This land was given to them in 1782, 1783, and 1784. "They didn't
> > reside in TN very long, because sometime before Nov of 1788 they moved
> > to GA. "In February, 1790, Edward Wade, now 63 yrs of age, made his
> > will. He died sometime in the next nine months. His wife survived him,
> > only to die a short time later. "Thus begins the separation of the
> > family. They did not like the unhealthy climate that had claimed the
> > lives of their parents. Some move back to VA and some trek northward in
> > SC settling near lands that they must have admired as they passed
> > through on their trip from VA to GA. Some stayed in GA. "In Nov 1790,
> > Edward Wade, Sr's will was probated and thus began the task of selling
> > all of his belongings. Among the items sold was ten slaves, one of them
> > named Pegg, the faithful servant that Edward Wade had owned over 25 yrs.
> > David Wade purchased Negroes named Milly, Winney, and Hannah; and Thomas
> > Burford purchased a Negro man named Bob. I will be referring to these
> > last four slaves again."
> >
> > WILL: From "The Wade Book" by Ophelia Wade:
> > "Greene County, GA, Will Bk A, p 84-85:
> > "In the name of God, Amen. I, Edward Wade of the county of Greene and
> > State of GA, being in perfect health and of perfect mind and memory,
> > thanks be given unto God, calling unto mind the mortality of my body,
> > and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do make this
> > my last will and testament, that is to say, first of all, I give and
> > recommend my soul into the hand of Almighty God that gave it, and my
> > body I recommend to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian burial
> > at the discretion of my executors, nothing doubting but at the general
> > resurrection, I shall receive the same by the mighty power of God, and
> > as touching such worldly estate wherewith it hath pleased God to bless
> > me within this life, I give, demise and dispose of the same in the
> > following manner and form.
> > "Item: I land to my beloved wife Mary Wade during her life or widowhood,
> > all my estate of lands, Negroes, stock of all kinds and all my household
> > furniture and movables, and at her death or marriage my will is that all
> > my aforementioned estate be sold to the highest bidder amongst the
> > legatees only, and all the money arising therefrom to be equally divided
> > amongst all my children, that is David Wade, Lucey Nolin, Grissell
> > Bennett, Peyton Wade, Edward Wade, Mary Burford, Thomas Wade, Chloe
> > Easley and Anna Williams, and if any of the said children should die
> > without heir lawfully begotten of their body, then their part to [be]
> > equally divided among the rest of the living children and their heirs.
> > "At the general division of the estate it is my will that all the rest
> > of my children be made up equal to my eldest son David Wade who hath
> > received thirty pounds, ????? ??, my daughter Lucy Nowlin hath received
> > fifteen pounds, my daughter Grissell Bennett fifteen pounds, my son
> > Peyton Wade twenty pounds, my son Edward Wade fifteen pounds, my
> > daughter Mary Burford, ten pounds, my son Thomas Wade fifteen pounds, my
> > daughter Chloe Easley fifteen pounds, and my daughter Anna Williams six
> > pounds which is to be counted as so much received of their part at a
> > general division. "And further my will is that all my aforementioned
> > children or their heirs shall have timely notice to attend when my
> > aforementioned estate shall be sold. "I give to my deceased daughter
> > Christian Dalton's heirs one shilling sterling money to be paid to them
> > by my executors hereafter named. "And lastly, I do constitute and ordain
> > my two sons, Peyton Wade & Thomas Wade sole executors of this my last
> > will and testament. I do utterly hereby disallow, revoke and disannul
> > all and every other former testaments, willw, legacies, bequests and
> > executors by me in any wise named before; willed & wills and bequeated,
> > ratifying and confirming this and no other to be my last will and
> > testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this
> > eighteenth day of Feb, Anno Domonio, 1790. "Signed, sealed, published,
> > pronounced and declared by the said Edward Wade as his last will and
> > testament in the presence of: Thomas Easley, Elisha Bennett, Chloe
> > Easley, Peyton Nowlin. Edward Wade (seal) "A true copy of the original
> > recorded the 4th day of Nov 1790 by Will Phillips, RPGC." [A record of
> > the sale of all or his possessions is in the book, p12-15.] 5 6 2 7 3
> >
> > Vestry Book of Charles Parish, York County, Virginia:
> > Births: -W-
> > Ward, Pasca, sone of Edward by Elizabeth of Elizabeth City County, b.
> > Oct. 1, 1688 Ward, Plany, son of Edward by Elizabeth, b. Nov. 6, 1690
> > Ward, Edward, son of Planey by Mary, b. 21 April, Bap. May 13, 1726
> > Deaths: -W-
> > Wade, Elizabeth, d. June 28, 1696
> > Ward, James, d. Jan. 23, 1706
> > Ward, Mary, d. Feb. 7, 1726
> > Ward, Humphrey, d. Dec. 13, 1735
> > Ward, Mary, Widow of Pliney, d. Dec. 24, 1748
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > John R. Clarke
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eldon Wade" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:22 PM
> > Subject: RE: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> >
> >
> > > John,
> > > That info is consistent with what I have but I have done very little
> > > to verify that because I have no DANIELs in my lines (that I know of).
> >
> > > It is amazing the endless number of possible connections one can
> > > encounter. I have lots of BLAKEs but I have not gotten them back to GA
> >
> > > yet but I suspect they came from there.
> > >
> > > Eldon
> > > mailto:
> > > Researching: WADE, HAMES
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John R. Clarke [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:40 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> > >
> > >
> > > Eldon,
> > > This is why I have kept the WADES in my database, even if I do not
> >
> > > always have the correct information or sometimes read it, incorrectly.
> >
> > > <grin>
> > >
> > > William CLEMENTS, son of Peyton CLEMENTS and Elizabeth HARRIS
> > > (Peyton's first wife), married an Elizabeth DANIEL (ABT 1764-1847,
> > > Orange County, NC). Elizabeth was the daughter of Benjamin "Woodson"
> > > DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville and granddaughter of Capt. James
> > > DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland. Their daughter, Mary
> > > "Polly" CLEMENTS married Thomas Samuel BLAKE, son of Samuel and Amey
> > > REDDICK. Does that agree with your information. The BLAKE family is
> > > all of this DANIEL family up in Granville.
> > > Elizabeth DANIEL's brother, Capt. John O. DANIEL (1762-1841)
> > > moved to Elbert County, GA and his son, John F. DANIEL, Sr. born after
> >
> > > 1790 married Arvilla FANNING. I do not have to mention the numerous
> > > connections the
> > > name, FANNING, has in Morgan County, do I? Other children married
> > into
> > > the
> > > CRAFT, CUNNINGHAM. MEANS, and CASH, Most of these names have links
> > to
> > > Morgan County, GA.
> > > My problem is my DANIEL family out of Bethany, Jefferson County,
> > > GA. I cannot connect my DANIEL bunch back to Morgan and I know there
> > > is a connection between Madison and Bethany, GA, but I do not know
> > > what it is. However, I do know that my grandmother's 1924 obit (Alice
> > > Elizabeth DANIEL 1854-1924), written by "WT," stated she descended
> > > from one of the founding families of Morgan County, GA and William
> > > Thomas BACON
> > > (1863-1944) was seldom wrong as far as his knowledge of Morgan County,
> > > GA families went. WT was also collateral with my Morgan County family
> > > (his brother married a HUNTER girl) and I understand he was one of my
> > > grandfather's best friends.
> > >
> > > John R. Clarke
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eldon Wade" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:40 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Mary,
> > > > I have worked on Mary CLEMENTS for a couple of years and am making
> > > > slow progress. Bear in mind that these are my research notes and as
> >
> > > > such require some ingesting before drawing any conclusions. By the
> > > > way anything you can contribute to this research would be very
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > I would also be interested in your feed back after you internalize
> > > > the
> > >
> > > > data.
> > > >
> > > > I have no hard evidence that Mary CLEMENTS is the daughter of
> > > > Benjamin
> > >
> > > > CLEMENTS nor do I have any hard evidence that she is the sibling of
> > > > Peyton CLEMENTS b. abt. 1725 and Grissell CLEMENTS b. abt. 1725 but
> > > > I believe that to be the case. Note that Mary named a son Peyton
> > > > (b.
> > > > 1755) and she named a daughter Grissell (b. 1751). There is no
> > doubt
> > > > that Peyton b. abt. 1725 and Grissell b. abt. 1725 were siblings.
> > > > Note the will data Peyton below. This is early proof of the link
> > > > between the CLEMENTS and BURFORDs as Peyton married Elizabeth
> > BURFORD
> > > > and Grissell married William BURFORD. Are these BURFORDs linked to
> > > > Thomas BURFORD b. 1750 who married Mary WADE b. 1761 who is one of
> > the
> > >
> > > > daughters of Mary Clements WADE? Thomas BURFORD named a daughter
> > > > Grizziller (b. 1776). Grissell is often spelled Grizzell so is
> > > > Grizziller a name sake of Grissell?
> > > >
> > > > From "Abstracts of the Wills and Estate Records of Granville County
> > > > North Carolina 1746-1808" by Zoe Hargett Gwynn published by Joseph
> > > > W. Watson Rocky Mount, NC 1973.: 100-Dec. 10, 1773 proved Feb 177--
> > > > will of PEYTON CLEMMENTS wills to his wife ELIZABETH CLEMMENTS all
> > > > land whereon I now live and a child's part of all other estate
> > > > during her lifetime and remainder of estate divided to my children:
> > > > Thomas, William, Tyree, Jesse, Phillip, Grissell Clemments after the
> >
> > > > death of my wife ELIZABETH. Exrs: Friend James Martin, William
> > > > Buford, my wife Elizabeth Clemments. Wit: Grissell Buford, Thomas
> > > > Farrell, Wm. Burford
> > >
> > > > (sic) 226-Feb Court 1779-Elizabeth Clements, guardian of Tyree
> > > > Clements, orphan of Peyton Clements, deceased, renders account from
> > > > Nov 20, 1774 and also for orphans Jesse Clements, Phillip Clements,
> > > > and Grissell Clements, orphans of Peyton Clements, deceased.
> > > > Peyton's wife Elizabeth was a Burford prior to their marriage as I
> > > > understand. She remarried to a James Comer in Oct 1779 and the whole
> >
> > > > familiy seems to have moved to Greene Cty., GA. shortly thereafter.
> > > You
> > > > will note in will extract that once the spelling is Buford and once
> > > > Burford. I'm pretty sure it is Burford from some other research I
> > > > have done. The family also seemed to be close to the West family in
> > > > NC and many of these appear in Greene Cty., GA with the Comers and
> > > > Clements.
> > > >
> > > > Eldon
> > > > mailto:
> > > > Researching: WADE, HAMES
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mary Harper [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:08 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: [GAMORGAN] Edward Wade and Mary Clements
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Edward WADE and Mary CLEMENTS.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any information on the ancestry of Mary CLEMENTS???
> > > > Would appreciate anything you might have.
> > > >
> > > > Mary
> > > > |
> > > >
> > > >
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