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From: "Dora Smith" <>
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Steel Bonnets
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:11:35 -0600
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Does this book have anything on Carruthers/ Cauthers? It also turned into
Cathers.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX


----- Original Message -----
From: "donkelly" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Steel Bonnets


>I own the book in case anyone needs lookups.
> don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie B <>
> To:
> Sent: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:13:51 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Steel Bonnets
>
> I ordered the book online last night. I'd be interested in the
> "differences" you mention.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cliff. Johnston <>
> To:
> Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:46:57 AM
> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>
> Aye, an excellent book too. One should keep in mind though that the author
> has had the "benefit" of an education and upbringing in "Scotland under
> English influence". There are some decidedly different views on a few wee
> bits of history. ;-)
>
> Cliff. Johnston
> "May the best you've ever seen,
> Be the worst you'll ever see;"
> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shirley Smith" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:48 AM
> Subject: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>
>
>> 'The Steel Bonnets: the Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers' by
>> George MacDonald Fraser discusses these clans in historical context. It
>> is available in paper back and worth every penny. Shirley (in Florida and
>> Maine)
>>
>>
>> According to histories written in Scotland and England, Reiver clans held
>> allegience to no King, they were English or Scottish at will, and their
>> will changed frequently. Their allegiences were first to their families
>> and clan chief. Therefore they were a potential threat to actually defeat
>> England and behead the king and Queen. History rated them as one of the
>> finest cavalry in the world. On the kings doorstep, they had to go.
>>
>> don
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dora Smith <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:10:25 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>>
>> I think that James I sent some of the border reivers to Ireland to
>> diminish
>> the threat they posed on the Scottish border.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Dora Smith
>> Austin, TX
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>>
>>
>>> Hi Don and Karen,
>>>
>>> I so wish that Gordon had his DNA taken during his lifetime!
>>>
>>> Thank you both for your input - and especially you, Don, for your
>>> interesting mail re the Border Reiver's etc. My computer is at a
>>> stop/start
>>> stage and my mail of thanks for your 25/12 mail was probably lost in
>>> cyberspace as it has not appeared on the list to date.
>>>
>>> Still can't really understand why this search for our past is so
>>> compellingly insistent!!
>>>
>>> Dee.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "karen mcvitty" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, And the Grahams were Border clans on the Scottish side a few have
>>>> surfaced in matchings with my husband's DNA and many Elliot's have
>>>> surfaced as well with a few Armstrong's in the mix! Karen
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
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