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From: donkelly <>
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:30:06 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <000801ca85ab$14d9f290$7602a8c0@mothers>


Jean, we believe so, but are keeping an open mind pending documentation.

We have but one connection left to document.

The name of that possible connection was Jackson Middleton Rutledge. If we nail that guy, we virtually, by long odds alone, got it.

Yet it seems that all 900 of us related cousins don't really care which of the Rutledge lines in America we belong to......we are just into documentation and let facts fall where they may.

But like the Grahams, the Rutledges/Routledges/Ruttledges/de Rutledges, in 1600 were all found only in one place on earth, 3 miles south of the Anglo Scot border. Since they lived together for 400 or more years, we can assume nearly 100% that they were all related.

DNA to an overall degree of 93% so far certainly supports what we believe.

More recently, DNA of Rutledges in South Carolina, or known to be from South Carolina, matches closely in 97% of the cases with DNA from the Rutledges of Tennessee and Missouri.

But with a plus or minus small degree of certainty, anything else is possible.

Adoptions are notorious for trashing DNA trends, so must always be taken into account.

The last known Rutledge in our line was a brother of my Great Grandmother Chelnessie Matrina Rutledge Owen.

Well, I said too much, with too little facts.


----- Original Message -----
From: Jean <>
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Sent: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:41:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong

Don
Was your Rutledges related to the ones who signed the Declaration of
Independence?

jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "donkelly" <>
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Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong


> Unfortunately I cannot be of much help with your Grahams Shirley.
>
> My Grahams and Rutledges and Kellys and McGees all came to Charles Towne,
> South Carolina in the early 1700's.
>
> This does not mean they were unrelated to each other in Fermanagh. We know
> they were ralated with Armstrong and Rutledge as they lived next door to
> each other for hundreds of years.
>
> Wish I could help further, but I believe that far back could be documented
> only by DNA.............your male Graham DNA compared with the DNA of the
> South Carolina Grahams.
>
> Since Graham came from only one place in England, that we know of, a DNA
> match would be further compelling.
>
> Happy Times
>
> don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shirley Smith <>
> To:
> Sent: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:26:20 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: FER-GOLD Reiver cousins -- Graham, Armstrong
>
> Hi, Donkelly, I would like to hear more about your Grahams of Fermanagh
> and Tyrone. I have a Simon Graham, b County Tyrone about 1786 who came to
> New Brunswick from probably the Knockmanoul area of County Fermanagh in
> 1819. His siblings were Christopher b about 1790 County Tyrone, Richard b
> about 1798 County Tyrone, then William, Andrew, Arthur, Margaret for whom
> I have no dates nor locations. Simon named his first son, William, and his
> first daughter, Margaret Ann. His children were: Margaret Ann, Barbara,
> William, Mathew/Matthew, Christopher, Richard Wesley, and Arthur. I have
> dates and locations for these. I am descended from Mathew and his second
> wife, Frances Leiper/Leeper. The Leipers came to New Brunswick in 1838
> on a ship, the Susan Maria Brooke, from County Donegal. The Grahams
> married Armstrongs in New Brunswick. Do any of these names sound familiar
> to you? Merry Christmas! Thank you in advance. Shirley (in Florida and
> Maine)
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> As admin I'll take this one time a year opportunity to wish all of my
> Reiver cousins, Rutledge, Armstrong and Graham of Fermanagh and Tyrone,
> and Owen of Wales to Derry,and to all other greatly valued members of this
> list,a Merry Christmas and a successful Genealogical New Year. Love you
> all.
>
> donkelly

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